Both host content that are against our content policy and have had issues with
users from those sites entering our community crossposting content that violates
our content policy. We are discussing defederating other instances as well.
There is discussion of lemmit.online being defederated because it pretty much
exclusively scrapes reddit content and reposts it, and some content creators
have expressed discomfort. If there’s other instances that might be worth
considering defederating from, just post and it’ll be added to the current
discussion. and before anyone brings it up, lemmygrad defederated with us. This
isn’t a dictatorship but I ask that you please behave in the comment section and
at least try to understand why we are defederating.
It’s a shame too because about 1/4 of the subs on lewd loli were from there (I think that’s how it works).
I think jumping ship early is worth it. There’s nothing worse than your subreddit being blasted into the shadow realm right before you move. It’s hard to gather everyone when the place you used to gather no longer exists.
I’m no moderator of anything, so I’ve no particular sentimental attachments nor sway. I’ll go where my peers go, which still seems to be Reddit even as the frog boils. If I had a true moral aversion to Reddit, I would have quit when they first cracked down on loli subs years ago. Quitting now just seems silly, when the entertaining shitshow has just begun as it were.
Also, I do like it here at Burggit over Reddit. It’s just everywhere else in the Lemmyverse that currently has me headscratching if I want to currently bother figuring out a bridge: the fact that big instances are creating rules even stricter than Reddit (like no NSFW) when they’re not even beholden to advertizers to do so, suggests to me they have an even greater concentration of morality police than you’d find on Reddit. So I’m adopting a lazy wait-and-see approach. Emphasis on lazy.
As a tangent, Reddit normally never comes up in conversation for me with friends, but the blackout finally changed that. They’ve been around long enough to know about old Reddit’s layout. None of them knew it was a thing that still exists. Only one of them used a non-official app (Apollo), and I wholly expect them to jump to the official app (or maybe whatever accessibility app I can fish up) over any Reddit alternative. As somewhat of a power user, it was a nice reminder at just how apathetic and non-power-user-y most of Reddit’s userbase is.
As an extra tangent, I think your 2hu stuff is in an uncommon position, as it’s somewhat inextricably linked to loli/“loli” content that Reddit actively opposes, in a way that most communities are not. I’m guessing that the blackout-related stuff was more of a convenient pretext to finally pull the trigger (and hopefully with a higher conversion rate) than it was the entire justification. And so I think your migration has a chance of being somewhat successful long-term, and way more successful than most migrations simply because there’s a community-inherent reason to do so. Most migrations I expect will or have already flopped as subs capitulate or reopen in some form. I fully expect this episode to be more of a “two minutes hate” than a “straw that broke the camel’s back” in the saga of Reddit’s downward spiral.
the fact that big instances are creating rules even stricter than Reddit (like no NSFW) when they’re not even beholden to advertizers to do so, suggests to me they have an even greater concentration of morality police than you’d find on Reddit.
I think it’s more that they don’t want to deal with the legal issues that come with hosting porn. Not that there aren’t any morality police types, but most of the sentiment that I’ve seen has been pretty pro-NSFW.
I’ve seen that mentioned before, but I don’t quite buy it. If it’s the actual act of hosting porn, I would expect there to be compromises since this forum style stems from just being a link aggregator anyway. If it’s to avoid running into minors-related laws, I have yet to run into any age questions for any instance signups, so I really have to question how genuinely these sorts of issues are being tackled.
I’ll be happy to believe it when I see it, but until then that just seems like excuses to make their position more palatable until people just accept the status quo.
Porn hoster here. Frankly, the people who say it’s hard to host porn are people who are either running their instance like a business or are retarded. True, a lot of hosting companies don’t let you host adult content at all, but it’s not very hard to find providers who are more than happy to host legal adult content. I even made a list of some of these providers reviewing their policies: https://crippled.media/free-speech-vps-providers-put-to-the-test
And while all the providers I was focusing on were those who accepted Crypto (because going about it anonymously is the best way to go in my opinion.), some of the providers on the list do accept normie payments like credit card. BuyVM for example, is a porn and loli friendly host which hosts a lot of controversial websites that you may have heard of, such as AllTheFallen.
The truth of the matter is people just don’t care to look, I’m not even convinced it’s about money, since most of the lemmy instances hosted are hosted on ridiculously overpriced hardware from companies like AWS and DigitalOcean.
The main issues are that you need to actually find a decent provider with reasonable terms, and you have to avoid using services like Cloudflare, which will absolutely skull fuck you if they get a chance.
In my humble opinion, the people talking about legal issues are;
A. people who have not done any research and are just repeating what they have heard others say.
B. They are just too scared to be the ones to provide a platform
C. They don’t want to provide the platform, but they also want to have plausible deniability and say they “can’t” provide it instead of the truth which is that they won’t provide it.
I think jumping ship early is worth it. There’s nothing worse than your subreddit being blasted into the shadow realm right before you move. It’s hard to gather everyone when the place you used to gather no longer exists.
I’m no moderator of anything, so I’ve no particular sentimental attachments nor sway. I’ll go where my peers go, which still seems to be Reddit even as the frog boils. If I had a true moral aversion to Reddit, I would have quit when they first cracked down on loli subs years ago. Quitting now just seems silly, when the entertaining shitshow has just begun as it were.
Also, I do like it here at Burggit over Reddit. It’s just everywhere else in the Lemmyverse that currently has me headscratching if I want to currently bother figuring out a bridge: the fact that big instances are creating rules even stricter than Reddit (like no NSFW) when they’re not even beholden to advertizers to do so, suggests to me they have an even greater concentration of morality police than you’d find on Reddit. So I’m adopting a lazy wait-and-see approach. Emphasis on lazy.
As a tangent, Reddit normally never comes up in conversation for me with friends, but the blackout finally changed that. They’ve been around long enough to know about old Reddit’s layout. None of them knew it was a thing that still exists. Only one of them used a non-official app (Apollo), and I wholly expect them to jump to the official app (or maybe whatever accessibility app I can fish up) over any Reddit alternative. As somewhat of a power user, it was a nice reminder at just how apathetic and non-power-user-y most of Reddit’s userbase is.
As an extra tangent, I think your 2hu stuff is in an uncommon position, as it’s somewhat inextricably linked to loli/“loli” content that Reddit actively opposes, in a way that most communities are not. I’m guessing that the blackout-related stuff was more of a convenient pretext to finally pull the trigger (and hopefully with a higher conversion rate) than it was the entire justification. And so I think your migration has a chance of being somewhat successful long-term, and way more successful than most migrations simply because there’s a community-inherent reason to do so. Most migrations I expect will or have already flopped as subs capitulate or reopen in some form. I fully expect this episode to be more of a “two minutes hate” than a “straw that broke the camel’s back” in the saga of Reddit’s downward spiral.
I think it’s more that they don’t want to deal with the legal issues that come with hosting porn. Not that there aren’t any morality police types, but most of the sentiment that I’ve seen has been pretty pro-NSFW.
I’ve seen that mentioned before, but I don’t quite buy it. If it’s the actual act of hosting porn, I would expect there to be compromises since this forum style stems from just being a link aggregator anyway. If it’s to avoid running into minors-related laws, I have yet to run into any age questions for any instance signups, so I really have to question how genuinely these sorts of issues are being tackled.
I’ll be happy to believe it when I see it, but until then that just seems like excuses to make their position more palatable until people just accept the status quo.
Porn hoster here. Frankly, the people who say it’s hard to host porn are people who are either running their instance like a business or are retarded. True, a lot of hosting companies don’t let you host adult content at all, but it’s not very hard to find providers who are more than happy to host legal adult content. I even made a list of some of these providers reviewing their policies: https://crippled.media/free-speech-vps-providers-put-to-the-test
And while all the providers I was focusing on were those who accepted Crypto (because going about it anonymously is the best way to go in my opinion.), some of the providers on the list do accept normie payments like credit card. BuyVM for example, is a porn and loli friendly host which hosts a lot of controversial websites that you may have heard of, such as AllTheFallen.
The truth of the matter is people just don’t care to look, I’m not even convinced it’s about money, since most of the lemmy instances hosted are hosted on ridiculously overpriced hardware from companies like AWS and DigitalOcean.
The main issues are that you need to actually find a decent provider with reasonable terms, and you have to avoid using services like Cloudflare, which will absolutely skull fuck you if they get a chance.
In my humble opinion, the people talking about legal issues are;
A. people who have not done any research and are just repeating what they have heard others say.
B. They are just too scared to be the ones to provide a platform
C. They don’t want to provide the platform, but they also want to have plausible deniability and say they “can’t” provide it instead of the truth which is that they won’t provide it.