It’s a shame too because about 1/4 of the subs on lewd loli were from there (I think that’s how it works).
Wild to see the porn instance breaking down so hard. Like i blocked some shit i really wasn’t into from there, that’s the last place i expected to be taken over by puritans.
lemmynsfw is prude town, even after the community voted that they want scat communities the mods nuked them. anyone using burggit as their home lemmy should be able to still subscribe to lemmynsfw communities if they want. it’s just the lemmynsfw-ers getting cucked.
anyone using burggit as their home lemmy should be able to still subscribe to lemmynsfw communities
There won’t be any further updates here from those communities. Their server won’t talk to ours at all.
Yeah, they switched admins and while the old admin was pretty cool, they stepped down, partly because they took a pro-loli stance and basically got a huge shitstorm from it.
How dare they not hate harmless art like the majority does.
It really is their fault for not going with the hivemind and thinking for themselves. Next time they should not think these things through and just go with the popular opinion. The Majority Knows Best. 8=D ^O^
Pretty much all you need to know what kind of person this new admin is just from these two first words.
That being said, they use cloudflare, which they admit to heavily relying on, and they’re looking to take donations in fiat. So… best of luck to them.
With all these defederations, have you guys considered making a SFW version of burggit (maybe burggit.social?) that can stay federated with everything, and moving the SFW communities there? Then this instance could be “loli containment”, so to speak, still accessible from the SFW instance.
Also, from the post on lemmyNSFW, it sounds like people from here were crossposting loli stuff to there? You’d probably have to really commit to the “obey the rules when on other instances” rule.
Even if we did do that, people would defederate us just in general, it’d also almost certainly be seen as us bending or breaking on our stances, by doing this we’re essentially saying that they have power over us.
If they have power over us, we are no more friendly to free speech and expression than they let us be. We will not bend or break on our policies. If it wasn’t for the loli’s they’d defederate us for other reasons, we’re not going to be pressured into ruling with a golden hammer and sickle like other instances do.
Not to mention, it would split up our own communities between 2 separate instances and put more work on us by having 2 instances to maintain instead of one. That’s extra manpower and resources we’d have to dedicate, resources we just don’t have and for an end goal that we have no desire to achieve (and is realistically unachievable).
Lemmy NSFW was loli friendly until the change in leadership as of today, posting lolis on their instance was not against the rules, so there’s nothing to punish.
Hope this helps to address your concerns.
If you don’t want the extra workload, that’s totally fair. You’re under no obligation to go out of your way here. However, if you’re just pessimistic about the odds of success, I’d urge you to contact the admins of the defederated instances and ask. Alternatively, I’d be willing to inquire on your behalf if you’d like.
I know the jurisdictional legality of loli is a concern, plus not wanting it to end up in All. Those would both be addressed by not federating with .moe directly. The other usual concerns about free speech instances are already addressed by your rules. The other admins may not even be aware of what the rules are here.
I think there is a general desire to keep the fediverse mostly connected, and that at least some admins would refederate once they know that you’re reasonable and that their concerns have been addressed.
I appreciate your optimism, but it is not worth the extra manpower and financial burden it would put upon us to run 2 instances. As it stands, we run Burggit entirely out of our own pockets, and the costs to just continue running it are only growing. I also do not have the time to moderate another instance, which would (in my opinion) not be worth the effort that would need to be put into it. So, even if the idea is 100% flawless and would be executed and work perfectly. It would not be worth it to me or @[email protected] to put on the substantial burden in making such an instance, maintaining it and moving our SFW communities over to it. That’s just a huge ask.
It’s unfortunately not pessimism on Mastodon/Pleroma/Akkoma there’s kind of 2 sides of the fediverse there. Instances which have a focus on speech, expression or some other variation of the sorts (much like Burggit). And the safe spaces which are closer to Beehaw and others. If you as an instance so much as federate with the “problematic” instances, you’re immediately defederated. There’s even a thing called “fediblock” which allows people to basically tattle on other instances for wrong think and have everyone in the fediblock network automagically defederate them.
I have a feeling they’d defederate us regardless of if we made a SFW version of the site or not. It’s easily doable, but these guys clearly have Reddit brain and anyone loosely associated with any movement or stance needs to be ultra double triple permabanned with no recourse or talking it out.
To add, I’ve been seeing instances defederating or threatening to defederate from each other for the most silly reasons. I think we’re dealing with former tumblr users in terms of fragility if I’m being perfectly honest.
yeah me. i wasn’t aware “persons under the age of 18” rule included drawings. i have no clue why they left it vague like that.
The board of directors of pregnant lolis is going to chew you out for that
So why didn’t they just ban you instead of defederating? Seems like an extreme overreaction on their part.
i am banned. i think it was just another straw because lemmynsfw was already talking about defederating from burggit beforehand
I don’t see why Burggit specifically would have to do this. I was planning to jump to an inconspicuous unrelated instance that federates both Burggit and the “correct” parts of the Lemmyverse. You could still do this if you want to participate in both.
I’m putting my plan on ice for a bit because:
- Cross-instance subscription seemed a bit buggy in general - mainly anything posted before I subscribed was missing comments & votes if it showed up at all. If you wait a bit for your feed to have new content, it’s all pretty correct from what I’ve seen so it is still quite usable. I just got a bit lazy about subscribing to new Burggit communities as they crop up, so I’ll either wait for bugfixes, or mass-subscribe in one go.
- The more I think about it, if I want Reddit-tier content I’d rather just get it off Reddit anyway. I personally have no recent beef with Reddit in the first place since I don’t use mobile, I just wanted to see if Lemmy ended up being a bit more free-spirited about loli. The answer has basically been “no”, which I guess I should’ve seen coming with how Mastodon developed. I do think the writing is on the wall for Reddit sometime after the IPO happens, but I have no reason to jump ship early.
As an aside, I find it deeply funny how many Reddit alternatives don’t allow NSFW in general, as if that wasn’t one of the largest draws in the first place. I have a feeling Reddit is going to be able to boil the frog that is their general userbase for a few years yet.
I think jumping ship early is worth it. There’s nothing worse than your subreddit being blasted into the shadow realm right before you move. It’s hard to gather everyone when the place you used to gather no longer exists.
I’m no moderator of anything, so I’ve no particular sentimental attachments nor sway. I’ll go where my peers go, which still seems to be Reddit even as the frog boils. If I had a true moral aversion to Reddit, I would have quit when they first cracked down on loli subs years ago. Quitting now just seems silly, when the entertaining shitshow has just begun as it were.
Also, I do like it here at Burggit over Reddit. It’s just everywhere else in the Lemmyverse that currently has me headscratching if I want to currently bother figuring out a bridge: the fact that big instances are creating rules even stricter than Reddit (like no NSFW) when they’re not even beholden to advertizers to do so, suggests to me they have an even greater concentration of morality police than you’d find on Reddit. So I’m adopting a lazy wait-and-see approach. Emphasis on lazy.
As a tangent, Reddit normally never comes up in conversation for me with friends, but the blackout finally changed that. They’ve been around long enough to know about old Reddit’s layout. None of them knew it was a thing that still exists. Only one of them used a non-official app (Apollo), and I wholly expect them to jump to the official app (or maybe whatever accessibility app I can fish up) over any Reddit alternative. As somewhat of a power user, it was a nice reminder at just how apathetic and non-power-user-y most of Reddit’s userbase is.
As an extra tangent, I think your 2hu stuff is in an uncommon position, as it’s somewhat inextricably linked to loli/“loli” content that Reddit actively opposes, in a way that most communities are not. I’m guessing that the blackout-related stuff was more of a convenient pretext to finally pull the trigger (and hopefully with a higher conversion rate) than it was the entire justification. And so I think your migration has a chance of being somewhat successful long-term, and way more successful than most migrations simply because there’s a community-inherent reason to do so. Most migrations I expect will or have already flopped as subs capitulate or reopen in some form. I fully expect this episode to be more of a “two minutes hate” than a “straw that broke the camel’s back” in the saga of Reddit’s downward spiral.
the fact that big instances are creating rules even stricter than Reddit (like no NSFW) when they’re not even beholden to advertizers to do so, suggests to me they have an even greater concentration of morality police than you’d find on Reddit.
I think it’s more that they don’t want to deal with the legal issues that come with hosting porn. Not that there aren’t any morality police types, but most of the sentiment that I’ve seen has been pretty pro-NSFW.
I’ve seen that mentioned before, but I don’t quite buy it. If it’s the actual act of hosting porn, I would expect there to be compromises since this forum style stems from just being a link aggregator anyway. If it’s to avoid running into minors-related laws, I have yet to run into any age questions for any instance signups, so I really have to question how genuinely these sorts of issues are being tackled.
I’ll be happy to believe it when I see it, but until then that just seems like excuses to make their position more palatable until people just accept the status quo.
Porn hoster here. Frankly, the people who say it’s hard to host porn are people who are either running their instance like a business or are retarded. True, a lot of hosting companies don’t let you host adult content at all, but it’s not very hard to find providers who are more than happy to host legal adult content. I even made a list of some of these providers reviewing their policies: https://crippled.media/free-speech-vps-providers-put-to-the-test
And while all the providers I was focusing on were those who accepted Crypto (because going about it anonymously is the best way to go in my opinion.), some of the providers on the list do accept normie payments like credit card. BuyVM for example, is a porn and loli friendly host which hosts a lot of controversial websites that you may have heard of, such as AllTheFallen.
The truth of the matter is people just don’t care to look, I’m not even convinced it’s about money, since most of the lemmy instances hosted are hosted on ridiculously overpriced hardware from companies like AWS and DigitalOcean.
The main issues are that you need to actually find a decent provider with reasonable terms, and you have to avoid using services like Cloudflare, which will absolutely skull fuck you if they get a chance.
In my humble opinion, the people talking about legal issues are;
A. people who have not done any research and are just repeating what they have heard others say.
B. They are just too scared to be the ones to provide a platform
C. They don’t want to provide the platform, but they also want to have plausible deniability and say they “can’t” provide it instead of the truth which is that they won’t provide it.
