Two previous amendments that would have restricted the labelling of plant-based meat — including terms such as “burger” and “sausage” — were rejected by MEPs in 2020. Furthermore, the Court of Justice of the European Union ruled last October that no member state could prohibit plant-based alternatives from using terms traditionally associated with animal products, as long as the ingredients are clearly shown on the label.
And : IMO the decision of the European Parliament supersedes the panic of the meat industry when it comes to vocabulary. Language evolves. I don’t see them attacking beauty products because they’re selling “cream”
FYI : this was already a thing in France circa 2022 and was quickly shut down because of how ridiculous of a request this is
We’re not talking about vegetables products but plant based alternatives. We’re not talking about protected product names but common words used in our vocabulary daily.
We are talking about blatant lies here as calling vegetable (or plant if you want to) product a “chicken” is a blatant lie - and should rightly be banned. If it says “chicken” it must be a chicken.
By your logic, so would be the beefsteak tomato, almond milk, coco cream, butternut… Which are actual vegetables.
If you consider yourself not capable enough to read the ingredients when selecting a product to buy, that’s on you. This is what the CJEU is saying: there is no misleading in using these terms. There has been zero recorded intent at misleading consumers from plant based alternatives producers.
Do you get mad at the “misleading animal names” meme?
I find it funny too that further down they’re throwing things like “almond milk” under the bus despite the fact that plant milk is not nearly novel and has been called “milk” for centuries. This isn’t just them conservatively gatekeeping novel language like “chick’n”. It’s in fact trying to regressively erase this longstanding and commonly understood usage of “milk” because it hurts their feelings. “Peanut butter” hasn’t been called “butter” for nearly as long, but I’m sure they’d pull a “that’s not the same tho!!” if you brought it up as evidence that their argument is ad hoc nonsense.
And when their argument for not calling it “almond milk” is baseless garbage meant to mask “I just don’t like it, waaaah”, why should we take them seriously when it comes to plant-based meats?
So the real question is: is there actual confusion happening among consumers buying food?
And the answer from courts, regulators, and common sense has been a consistent no because context is already doing its job.
But plant-based chicken makes no sense. It has no chicken in it. Your link refers to “meaty names”, such as sausages, burgers and such.
most consumers do not appear to be concerned about the naming of veggie ‘burgers’ or ‘sausages’, as long as the products are clearly identifiable as vegetarian/vegan
The actual question used in the survey
To what extent do you agree that companies use meat-related names like sausage and burger to de- scribe meat-free vegetarian products (e.g. a veggie burger)?”
They do mention
A reference to the flavour of the original meat product in the name was also supported (e.g. “liver pâté flavoured veggie spread”). Only 38% of respondents thought that vegetarian/vegan products should bear completely new names, with no reference to the animal products they ‘imitate’.
“Chicken flavoured veggie spread” might pass, though it sounds a bit like it was flavoured with chicken and not “chinken flavoured”, so a source of confusion there too.
If you find that misleading, then that’s on you. It’s really not hard to differentiate veggie products from real dead animals. Furthermore, the terms are more than justified as the flavors come from the same or similar compounds, especially with chicken.
If it says it’s a chicken product then a normal person is expecting a chicken product lmao
I wonder how you’d react if someone was selling a meat product as vegan and justified it as “vegan style spices” or some nonsense. “If you find that misleading then that’s on you.”
Don’t sell stuff as pork if it isn’t pork. Burger is fine, sausage is fine, pork, chicken, beef are all misleading.
Good, products names should not be misleading.
And?
Beef, pork and chicken are meats from specific animals. There is no such thing as “vegan chicken”.
You can argue that “sausage” is a form rather than a filling. Burgers are similiar with “chicken burger” and “veggie burger”.
And : IMO the decision of the European Parliament supersedes the panic of the meat industry when it comes to vocabulary. Language evolves. I don’t see them attacking beauty products because they’re selling “cream”
FYI : this was already a thing in France circa 2022 and was quickly shut down because of how ridiculous of a request this is
And this is comparable to misinforming customers by calling vegetable product “chicken” how, exactly?
We’re not talking about vegetables products but plant based alternatives. We’re not talking about protected product names but common words used in our vocabulary daily.
We are talking about blatant lies here as calling vegetable (or plant if you want to) product a “chicken” is a blatant lie - and should rightly be banned. If it says “chicken” it must be a chicken.
By your logic, so would be the beefsteak tomato, almond milk, coco cream, butternut… Which are actual vegetables.
If you consider yourself not capable enough to read the ingredients when selecting a product to buy, that’s on you. This is what the CJEU is saying: there is no misleading in using these terms. There has been zero recorded intent at misleading consumers from plant based alternatives producers.
Do you get mad at the “misleading animal names” meme?
I find it funny too that further down they’re throwing things like “almond milk” under the bus despite the fact that plant milk is not nearly novel and has been called “milk” for centuries. This isn’t just them conservatively gatekeeping novel language like “chick’n”. It’s in fact trying to regressively erase this longstanding and commonly understood usage of “milk” because it hurts their feelings. “Peanut butter” hasn’t been called “butter” for nearly as long, but I’m sure they’d pull a “that’s not the same tho!!” if you brought it up as evidence that their argument is ad hoc nonsense.
And when their argument for not calling it “almond milk” is baseless garbage meant to mask “I just don’t like it, waaaah”, why should we take them seriously when it comes to plant-based meats?
Are you a little bit slow? As you struggle to comprehend the subject we are discussing.
There are certain EU and UK rules around naming. Product called chicken must contain chicken not some pulp animal feed.
This is absolutely NOT what it is saying and I don’t know if you are arguing in bad faith or you are just dim.
Let’s try again:
Burger does not imply coming from any kind of meat. You have beefburgers, chickenburgers, soyaburgers, vegiburgers etc.
Sausage also does not imply it is coming specifically from a meat.
This is all the court said.
Chicken, pork or beef are definitely implying coming from specific animals and calling some plant pulp either of these names is clearly misleading.
Comprende?
Do you consider beauty products foodstuff? Because obviously the risk of confusion is higher within the same product category…
I don’t, and yes of course it is, but for example plant-based “chicken” is not being sold as just “chicken.” It’s always labeled “plant-based chicken”, “vegan chicken”, etc. That’s within the same product category, and still not confusing to consumers ; see the study linked in the article (https://www.beuc.eu/sites/default/files/publications/beuc-x-2020-042_consumers_and_the_transition_to_sustainable_food.pdf).
So the real question is: is there actual confusion happening among consumers buying food? And the answer from courts, regulators, and common sense has been a consistent no because context is already doing its job.
But plant-based chicken makes no sense. It has no chicken in it. Your link refers to “meaty names”, such as sausages, burgers and such.
The actual question used in the survey
They do mention
“Chicken flavoured veggie spread” might pass, though it sounds a bit like it was flavoured with chicken and not “chinken flavoured”, so a source of confusion there too.
I guess we should also ban imitation crab.
Carmine lipstick that isn’t made with beetles.
Artificial sweeteners that don’t have any sugar but tastes like.
Parchment should only be made of animals skin.
and there’s probably a shit ton of products that are actually replacement things.
It isn’t allowed to be called “crab” in the UK and rightly so.
Why? They don’t claim to be made of sugar.
Why?
If you find that misleading, then that’s on you. It’s really not hard to differentiate veggie products from real dead animals. Furthermore, the terms are more than justified as the flavors come from the same or similar compounds, especially with chicken.
Next, sell low quality beef burgers and call it vegan. If you can’t differentiate between meat and ultra processed pea protein it’s on you.
If it says it’s a chicken product then a normal person is expecting a chicken product lmao
I wonder how you’d react if someone was selling a meat product as vegan and justified it as “vegan style spices” or some nonsense. “If you find that misleading then that’s on you.”
Don’t sell stuff as pork if it isn’t pork. Burger is fine, sausage is fine, pork, chicken, beef are all misleading.
So I should be able to label petroleum as chocolate. After all, its distincive odor came from a (kinda remotely) similar compound. (/s)