Neither should be popular. Ppl should be suspicious of both.
Thanks Trump.
China is authoritarian, but if you look only at the material conditions for democracy like prosperity, peace, education they are better than the US. People fundamentally want to exist and raise families in peace without constant terror, confusion and economic hardship. That is because even they are authoritarian, they can still “afford” to have pro-human or pro-national ideology. In the neoliberal countries choosing that over profit gets you fired or sidelined.
if I’m from, say, Ghana, I’m judging China based on how China affects Ghanaian people, not on how China affects Chinese people
Have you been to China?
I haven’t. Please elaborate.
The Chinese people do not exist in a state of peace with the CCP that is one of the many reasons why there has been a rush of Chinese citizens leaving the country. The pandemic really exposed to the world how destructive and nefarious the CCP is. First they denied it started in China, followed by a weak attempt to blame foreigners for covid-19. And ended with the CCP welding peope into their homes, allowing citizens to literally starve to death.
While the Chinese government pushes a very nationalistic message, It really isn’t pro-human in the slightest. The CCP top brass has been content to exploit the poverty of its populace in order to enrich themselves.
It’s like comparing diarrhea to poop.
If your “ally” becomes hostile to you then its no surprise.
Rivals, opponents, enemies… A traitor trumps them all.
That’s a low bar to cross
One of these states hasn’t been in a foreign conflict in 45 years, the other drops 45 bombs a day
The fact that it’s taken this long to cross shows you the power of cultural dominance in distorting objective reality(and that polls methodology can be manipulated to basically make any point those running it want)
They have killed plenty of their own citizens.
They aren’t US level of bad in terms of indiscriminate bombings, but they had military conflicts with Vietnam as recently as 1988, they have regular skirmishes with India and basically everyone that shares a sea border with them. They were also part of the UN force in Mali.
Based on the one 3 weeks ago, my instinct is that the results would tell a different story if more third world countries had been included.
See this post: https://hexbear.net/comment/6089310
Being involved in a foreign conflict is pretty unlikely to be a deciding factor.
It’s taken this long because the US’s human rights violations haven’t been as bad as China’s, and we used to be good trading partners.
I suppose it’s up to your defintion of ‘deciding factor’ but to think the US’s invasions of sovereign countries resulting in hundreds of thousands of civilians deaths over the past few decades and support for ongoing genocide isn’t tiping the scales is misguided at best
It’s taken this long because the US’s human rights violations haven’t been as bad as China’s
source? I’ve never seen reliable evidence(outside of easily disproven Zenz’s inventions) that China’s rights abuses match those committed by the US in Guantaumo, Abu Ghraib etc in severity
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/29/abu-zubaydah-cia-torture-waterboarding-guantanamo
Oh shit, I didn’t see your instance. This is a pointless conversation.
So no source?
Facts(UN investigations, photo and video evidence, I can provide sources on request) show that the US has committed far worse rights abuses than china(sexual assault at Abu Ghraib, extreme torture at both and murder and Guantanamo and numerous black-sites, extraordinary rendition etc)
This proves my point about US cultural dominance distorting objective reality: despite facts showing the US committing far more severe human rights abuses you still believe China has committed worse because that is what media you consume portrays
Did I ever say the US government didn’t commit human rights violations? Don’t put words in my mouth.
Also, China has had organ harvesting concentration camps for a while now. They also allow working conditions that are so shitty factories have to install anti-suicide nets.
China is by no means the good guy just because the US is a bad guy.
No but you claimed that China has commited worse ones, I’m asking for evidence of that
China has had organ harvesting concentration camps for a while now.
source? and I don’t mean Falun gong cult members anecdotes laundered to wrstern outlets through adrian zenz, actual hard evidence and investigation by neutral third parties or does that not exsit?
The US has children getting killed working in arbatoirs, and more workplaces suicides than China Bureau of Labour source and don’t install counter measures The Guardian: ‘It’s all preventable’: tackling America’s workplace suicide epidemic
Yes the Taiwanese company foxconn absolutely engaged in labour rights violations years ago before the Chinese government cracked down on them, hence why they are planning to movw factories to india where the BJP goverment is less likely to enforce(even its weak in comparison) labour regulations https://medium.com/@cailiansavage1/inside-the-myth-of-chinas-suicide-nets-7ae4b9d07015
China is pretty bad, but I feel the US never gets called out for this, so he has a good point.
Unfortunately I don’t think that person would ever be open to revaluating their preconceived worldview when presented with new facts, and are comforted by believing the ra-ra americana fairytale sold by Hollywood etc even if objective reality shows it to be false, I actually think they illustrates my point about cultural dominance from my first comment quite well
You’re wrong. The USA is a shit hole country rife with human rights violations.
But China is absolutely worse.
and you know this because the US told you so, and they wouldnt lie, would they?
China is absolutely worse.
Source?
the US is always called out for this?
Do you people live in the sand lol
They simp for fascists who call themselves communist.
