One of these states hasn’t been in a foreign conflict in 45 years, the other drops 45 bombs a day
The fact that it’s taken this long to cross shows you the power of cultural dominance in distorting objective reality(and that polls methodology can be manipulated to basically make any point those running it want)
They aren’t US level of bad in terms of indiscriminate bombings, but they had military conflicts with Vietnam as recently as 1988, they have regular skirmishes with India and basically everyone that shares a sea border with them. They were also part of the UN force in Mali.
I suppose it’s up to your defintion of ‘deciding factor’ but to think the US’s invasions of sovereign countries resulting in hundreds of thousands of civilians deaths over the past few decades and support for ongoing genocide isn’t tiping the scales is misguided at best
It’s taken this long because the US’s human rights violations haven’t been as bad as China’s
source? I’ve never seen reliable evidence(outside of easily disproven Zenz’s inventions) that China’s rights abuses match those committed by the US in Guantaumo, Abu Ghraib etc in severity
That was a different user? I’m a different user too. I’m sorry you’re getting dogpiled but you should expect people to call you out when you say inflammatory false statements as a matter of fact.
Facts(UN investigations, photo and video evidence, I can provide sources on request) show that the US has committed far worse rights abuses than china(sexual assault at Abu Ghraib, extreme torture at both and murder and Guantanamo and numerous black-sites, extraordinary rendition etc)
This proves my point about US cultural dominance distorting objective reality: despite facts showing the US committing far more severe human rights abuses you still believe China has committed worse because that is what media you consume portrays
Did I ever say the US government didn’t commit human rights violations? Don’t put words in my mouth.
Also, China has had organ harvesting concentration camps for a while now. They also allow working conditions that are so shitty factories have to install anti-suicide nets.
China is by no means the good guy just because the US is a bad guy.
No you didn’t, but you claimed that China has committed worse ones, I’m asking for evidence of that
China has had organ harvesting concentration camps for a while now.
source? and I don’t mean Falun gong cult members anecdotes laundered to western outlets through Adrian Zenz, actual hard evidence and investigation by neutral third parties or does that not exist?
The US has children getting killed working in abattoirs, and more has workplaces suicides than China Bureau of Labour source and don’t install counter measures
Yes the Taiwanese company Foxconn absolutely engaged in labour rights violations years ago before the Chinese government cracked down on them,
hence why they are planning to move factories to India where the BJP government is less likely to enforce(even its weak in comparison) labour regulations
Unfortunately I don’t think that person would ever be open to revaluating their preconceived worldview when presented with new facts, and are comforted by believing the ra-ra americana fairytale sold by Hollywood etc even if objective reality shows it to be false, I actually think they illustrates my point about cultural dominance from my first comment quite well
One of these states hasn’t been in a foreign conflict in 45 years, the other drops 45 bombs a day
The fact that it’s taken this long to cross shows you the power of cultural dominance in distorting objective reality(and that polls methodology can be manipulated to basically make any point those running it want)
They have killed plenty of their own citizens.
They aren’t US level of bad in terms of indiscriminate bombings, but they had military conflicts with Vietnam as recently as 1988, they have regular skirmishes with India and basically everyone that shares a sea border with them. They were also part of the UN force in Mali.
When you have to resort to stuff like this to criticize a country’s foreign policy, you don’t have much to go on.
1988 was 37 years ago. How many bombs has the US dropped since then?
Certainly much much more than 1988 bombs.
Based on the one 3 weeks ago, my instinct is that the results would tell a different story if more third world countries had been included.
See this post: https://hexbear.net/comment/6089310
Being involved in a foreign conflict is pretty unlikely to be a deciding factor.
It’s taken this long because the US’s human rights violations haven’t been as bad as China’s, and we used to be good trading partners.
explain to me how Iraq invasion is a less worse human rights violation than whatever China has done?
I never said the US was good. Stop using logical fallacies.
Amazing real time motte and bailey.
Right but you’re saying that China’s rights abuses have been worse than the US’s, do you have any facts that support that position?
can you even read? lmao
No, they’ve been worse: more people killed, more people imprisoned, more people abused, the US has been objectively worse.
I suppose it’s up to your defintion of ‘deciding factor’ but to think the US’s invasions of sovereign countries resulting in hundreds of thousands of civilians deaths over the past few decades and support for ongoing genocide isn’t tiping the scales is misguided at best
source? I’ve never seen reliable evidence(outside of easily disproven Zenz’s inventions) that China’s rights abuses match those committed by the US in Guantaumo, Abu Ghraib etc in severity
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/29/abu-zubaydah-cia-torture-waterboarding-guantanamo
Oh shit, I didn’t see your instance. This is a pointless conversation.
When you know you’re wrong but you’re to stubborn to admit it.
Stop harassing me
That was a different user? I’m a different user too. I’m sorry you’re getting dogpiled but you should expect people to call you out when you say inflammatory false statements as a matter of fact.
Incredibly soft
So no source?
Facts(UN investigations, photo and video evidence, I can provide sources on request) show that the US has committed far worse rights abuses than china(sexual assault at Abu Ghraib, extreme torture at both and murder and Guantanamo and numerous black-sites, extraordinary rendition etc)
This proves my point about US cultural dominance distorting objective reality: despite facts showing the US committing far more severe human rights abuses you still believe China has committed worse because that is what media you consume portrays
Did I ever say the US government didn’t commit human rights violations? Don’t put words in my mouth.
Also, China has had organ harvesting concentration camps for a while now. They also allow working conditions that are so shitty factories have to install anti-suicide nets.
China is by no means the good guy just because the US is a bad guy.
Lol. If we’re going to start throwing in baseless conspiracy theories, then Hillary Clinton eats babies
I don’t see anyone refuting this so it must be true.
No you didn’t, but you claimed that China has committed worse ones, I’m asking for evidence of that
source? and I don’t mean Falun gong cult members anecdotes laundered to western outlets through Adrian Zenz, actual hard evidence and investigation by neutral third parties or does that not exist?
The US has children getting killed working in abattoirs, and more has workplaces suicides than China Bureau of Labour source and don’t install counter measures
The Guardian: ‘It’s all preventable’: tackling America’s workplace suicide epidemic
Yes the Taiwanese company Foxconn absolutely engaged in labour rights violations years ago before the Chinese government cracked down on them, hence why they are planning to move factories to India where the BJP government is less likely to enforce(even its weak in comparison) labour regulations
https://freedium.cfd/https://medium.com/@cailiansavage1/inside-the-myth-of-chinas-suicide-nets-7ae4b9d07015
funny how libs talk about the foxconn suicide nets as a chinese thing, but then they back down when they learn its a taiwanese company 😂
China is pretty bad, but I feel the US never gets called out for this, so he has a good point.
Unfortunately I don’t think that person would ever be open to revaluating their preconceived worldview when presented with new facts, and are comforted by believing the ra-ra americana fairytale sold by Hollywood etc even if objective reality shows it to be false, I actually think they illustrates my point about cultural dominance from my first comment quite well
You’re wrong. The USA is a shit hole country rife with human rights violations.
But China is absolutely worse.
Source?
and you know this because the US told you so, and they wouldnt lie, would they?
No
the US is always called out for this?
Do you people live in the sand lol
They simp for fascists who call themselves communist.
Fascism is when you don’t unquestioningly accept baseless bloodlibel against your nations enemies