Saying that whatever Trump does is political suicide misses the biggest issue with this election-
Nobody cares what either of them say because an awful lot of the electorate simply isn’t listening.
The Trump voters would keep voting for Trump even if he joined the Nazi party. The rest of voters have either tuned out or are pushing Kamala simply because she’s not Trump so she must be better.
An awful lot of people have just made up their minds and aren’t listening for anything new.So having a headline that Trump says something offensive is news to nobody. What would have been political suicide a decade or two ago is business as usual today. Whatever standards we once have politicians to, we no longer hold them to.
If you still think anything trump could do is political suicide, you are too naive to be writing about politics.
It’s the Daily Beast, afterall. Not even Wikipedia considers them reliable.
Saying that you could stand out in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody dead I did not affect your campaign should equally have been political suicide.
Political suicide is dead.
That man is politically immortal. There is nothing he can do to “commit political suicide”.
He can lose, repeatedly. But that doesn’t really end Trumpism. It just mutates the brand into Republicans who can pitch themselves as “winners”.
A big problem with Lincoln Project Republicanism is that it doesn’t refute the fundamental fascist tenants of Trumpism (the xenophobia, the white nationalist Christiandom, anti-Democratic sentiments). They just pitch Trump as on the wrong side of foreign policy (not hawkish enough on Russia or China).
So we end up with Trump on one end and Ted Cruz on the other, as our range of conservative options.
aka “We’ve got Trump and Trump Lite, which would you prefer?”
Do you guys have trump zero?
Well what’s the difference?
Same calories Same awful foam Same horrible aftertaste Same miserable aroma
But the light version says the quiet part quietly.
Things have definitely changed and there’s republicans agitating to just blow it all up and start over. The old party wasn’t great but it was at least loyal.
there’s republicans agitating to just blow it all up and start ove
There are Republicans who lost their primaries and want their seats back. But they aren’t going to throw away Reaganism to defeat Trumpism.
Everyone calls it Reagan, but he just did what Republicans were saying they wanted for decades already. In fact I’m not sure where the Republicans could fall back to ideologically. Ever since the Dixie Flip they’ve pretty much built their entire party around racism and religious extremism.
In fact I’m not sure where the Republicans could fall back to ideologically.
At the heart of every Republican is a British Tory who desperately wants an American King.
Ever since the Dixie Flip they’ve pretty much built their entire party around racism and religious extremism.
Republicanism, even back to Lincoln, was a theory of Industrial expansion. Modern Republicans simply have nowhere else to expand into.
Racism and religious extremism are about re-colonizing the interior a second time, with a smaller and more “pure” cohort of settlers.
But without the large locus of dense population like the party had when it was dominant in the metropoles, that’s increasingly difficult to accomplish.
What the GOP needs is a new Mecca (or, perhaps, a New New York). A large, population dense center of power to expand out of again. Maybe they’ve found that in Salt Lake City. Maybe they’ve found it in the increasingly right wing Texas capital of Austin. Or in Silicon Valley. Or in Tel Aviv. Maybe they’ll rediscover New York (Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo certainly suggest fascism still plays well in the Big Apple).
But Settler Colonialism 2 is the dream.
That’s an interesting way to look at it. I’m not sure they need a single city though, the analogy kind of falls apart if you take it too far. But the whole restricting voting rights to white Christian men married with kids could certainly be described as a new form of colonialism. It’s essentially apartheid, and that was an outgrowth of colonialism.
A new Mecca? The f’n MAGATs should shove off to Moscow.
I came to say something like “too bad this guy is a zombie, smells like one too.”
Exactly. Just like the other hundreds of disqualifying things.
The Madison Square Garden rally, operatic in its repulsive bigotry, will almost certainly alienate more voters who might have voted for Trump.
Will it really? Is there someone out there who didn’t know until this event that he was a bigot and an awful person and is now going to change their mind?
You know what’s crazy? That answer is almost certainly yes.
I live in a red area and more and more people are starting to see some cracks
As great as that is to hear, I have to wonder under what rock those people have been living up to now.
Honestly, I kind of get it.
I’m very attuned to keeping up with what is happening in the world, at least at a base level. The number of people I’ve met who just dont do that is staggering. The other day I ran into someone who didn’t know what happened on J6. Maybe they were playing dumb, but I didn’t think so.
The reason i kinda get it is because this shit is depressing. I would love to be able to just tune out everything political related and only see feeds relating to my hobbies and just be totally ignorant of how fucked everything is. I guess some people saw that opportunity and took it.
It’s fatigue. If there were a turd-based fireworks show outside your house every night, eventually you just have to ignore it.
At first, exploding turds, I kinda want to see that. Eventually everything is covered in shit. That’s sort of a problem. A few folks try to clean it up, but it’s A LOT of shit. Your house is covered in shit. Your car is covered in shit. You go to the car wash and things improve… But your car is covered in shit again pretty quickly, so that felt like a waste.
Then someone asks you about that one time when a bunch of people broke into a building and let off shit fireworks everywhere. Sure that was new, but the nightly turd extravaganza still went off just the same. Plus the turd fireworks are always being set off in new and unusual places. I can’t be expected to remember them all.
Tbh, I get that too. Another realization I’ve had, is that a lot of Americans are so caught up in things like working and trying to survive, that paying attention to politics or the world in general is the last thing on their minds.
Were they 5 years old or recently immigrated or something? Maybe it’s because of proximity but I’m pretty sure even in Canada everyone has heard about it!
Some people just refuse to pay attention to politics.
Yep. I’ve seen folks avoid politics like I avoid football. They excuse themselves when someone starts talking about it, they change the channel if something about it comes on, and they just don’t go to places on the internet where it’s discussed.
I wasn’t ever that bad, but I used to not go out of my way to look at politics and it was pretty easy to avoid. I was much happier as well. But it’s important so I wade through it.
Millions and millions of people just don’t vote.
In my neighborhood, I’ve seen some houses take down their Trump signs. Dunno if it means anything, but I don’t think I had ever seen that before.
Ohhh don’t you go giving me hope like that…
I live in a Southern city. I shop in nice stores that are advertised in Garden & Gun.
They are selling Reagan Bush ‘80 and Reagan Bush ‘84 swag.
That is a dog whistle to say “I’m not down with Trump, but it’s not because I’m not conservative”.
There are serious cracks.
Harris HQ did a lot of things right and Trump HQ got locked in either doubling down and becoming more pronounced fascist (like here) therefore risking moderate republican votes or becoming too boring and letting people see through their incompetence and Trump’s senility when they aren’t caught up blind from constant MAGAtation.
I live in a red state and I saw a jacked up truck flying a full size giant Kamala Harris flag the other day, my jaw dropped
It’s always so interesting (or heartbreakingly depressing) for me to hear this. I have seen that to some extent where I live, although very tepidly. However, when I go visit friends and family in much more red areas I feel like I’m going into bizarro world. People are doubling and tripling down. It’s like a weird arms race or something between trump and his sycophants as they desperately try to keep up with each other in terms of bigotry and just overall insanity and/or stupidity. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that, in those areas, they ate this stuff up and asked for seconds.
It would make me incredibly happy if this was some sort of breaking point and it actually did open some eyes but having been there and seen the countless gigantic trump/Vance flags hanging from the bed of outrageously lifted pickups, I just don’t see it.
Yeah, the “political suicide” bit is immediately questionable. The fact that this race is even close has destroyed any remaining shreds of faith in my fellow Americans.
Trump could go up in stage and rant about black people, using the hard-R; he could repeat the sexist comments he’s already famous for; he could probably even criticize Christians - none of it would move the needle. People voting for him aren’t doing so because they think he’s a great person; they’re doing it because they hate liberals.
I think it would actually get him more votes.
I think they are voting for him because of the things they believe he is or stands for. Let’s assume some people cherish kindness, then these people believe he is kind even if he’s obviously not. They want to believe.
They are analogously not voting for Harris out of what they believe she stands for: destroying their values, installing communism, surrendering to the Soviet Union, all on day one. Because they want to believe.
This is also the thing I think proves that these people are stupid, although I really try to not assume these things.
Kamala is so much not a communist, she’d be considered economically right-wing in most of the EU.
8 years later, still riding that click-generating wave of “can you believe how racist this guy is?!”
Exactly my reaction.
Making people aware might give more of a push to people who otherwise wouldn’t vote. It isn’t about changing the minds of maga shits.
The first half of this skit will explain , like it is which multi-millionaire who does not respect you do you choose? The one lying that it is all fair, or the crybaby who says its not. Even with a Billion dollars Harris does not feel safe, and Trump has ro go so see Elon (who needs to be culled already). In all this voting third party is the crazy choice because?
Holy nonsense false equivalence, Batman. Harris’s net worth (with her husband), is about $8 million, much of which comes from book sales, pensions, and the value of her home. I’ll take the millionaire who earned her assets via public service, investment, and work over the supposed billionaire who earned his assets via loans from daddy, grift, fraud, lies, and a history of refusal to pay bills.
In all this voting third party is the crazy choice because?
Because you started with a ridiculous lie to justify it, maybe? Or, alternatively, because it’s stupid and self-defeating.
And the average american is a multi-millionaire? Like holy batman thats alot of words to say she can not relate to regular ppl. As in my Chapelle clip, one candidate embraces it, the other denies it. Guess who looks like an untrustworthy liar.
When has she ever denied being wealthy?
Ladies and gentleman, this is called a pivot, because I made an accusation and somehow @BlackBeard has something entirely different to take attention and ignore what I said.
the other denies it.
Your exact words.
Ummms if you agreeing with me you are saying “Both Sides” then and well ofc agreeing with me.
The average net worth of a single person in their 60s (kamala’s age) is about 1.5 million.
So take 8 million for Kamala and husband and 3 million for an average couple in the same age group.
I think that’s significantly closer than any of the gop or third party candidates.
Besides, it’s not like Kamala is trying to make it a secret (unlike trump, who consistently refuses to release documents related to wealth and assets)
The one lying that it is all fair, or the crybaby who says its not.
Yep, that’s the only difference between the two candidates. You nailed it!
(This is sarcasm. You’re an idiot.)
Because Jill Stein is also a multimillionaire.
Nothing is political suicide for Trump. He was right when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and he wouldn’t lose any supporters. His followers are a cult and the only way they would stop following him is if he somehow turned brown or black.
He even said “take the guns now, proper process later” ad didn’t even lost NRA support
Obviously. The NRA is a racist organization more than a gun one if you actually scrutinize it.
Narrator: it wasn’t
Yeah if he was the title would’ve said, “Slammed”
Sir, we’re calling it ‘schlonged’ now.
(Look it up, “Trump Schlonged”)
I know where this is from, but the images of googling "Trump schlonged " would cause most people to claw their own eyes out.
Understood. I should have specified that it’s a new Expression that Trump has… Redefined!?
He wouldn’t say he redefined it, more like he has tainted the word schlonged .
Is that the ball tanning thing?
Oh tainted gotcha ;)
On the contrary, this is actually the strategy to win the swing voters. Some of them just need to be haters and they win bigly.
I’ve lost count of how many “political suicides” Trump has allegedly gone through since 2015… Yet somehow, here he still is…
My faith in humanity has been severely diminished by the fact his candidacy keeps surviving what in a sane world would be disqualifying events/revelations.
Kamala is expected to prove her worth for office and cannot be less than perfect, whereas Trump is allowed to repeatedly prove how unfit he is day after day
Some pundit had a catchy phrase for this. Trump can be lawless, but Kamala has to be flawless
Well, nazis are kind of like a society committing suicide, or maybe a murder-suicide. So it all fits.
It wasn’t the rape charges, or saying he wants to fuck his daughter, or saying immigrants are eating pets, or that people are getting abortions at 9 months, or trying to build that stupid fucking wall, or banning Muslims, or botching covid, or the insurrection, or calling on proud boys, or having meeting with Putin, or having meetings with Netanyahu, or…
I will continue to say, and I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else who opposes this shitstain, the fact that he was President once and is very likely to be President again speaks volumes on who the American people are and it’s not nice.
A large chunk of you think this man is a good representation of you on the world stage. Someone who is weak, overweight, obnoxious, loud, a bully, sexist, racist, I can go on. This is who a large chunk of Americans feel best represents them.
Of course. I have always found it astonishing that anyone can behold DT and think he should be in charge of the country. Of course, same for Limbaugh or all the people in Fox who act like disingenuous assholes nonstop.
People are products of their environment.
A majority of this country did NOT vote for him. He never won the popular vote. He only won because assholes who crafted our systems of power did so to better serve the rich.
We are overweight because of our terrible deregulated food industry filled with garbage and our lack of walkable living spaces in most places Americans live. Hardly any place can be gotten to in the country with out a car.
We are uneducated because the rich have shaped our education system to remove any word about the Pullman Strike… about the original meaning of red-neck… about the bombing of Tulsa… as none of those things serve capital’s interests. So many Americans are angry because members from both major parties (with a few notable exceptions) mostly serve capital, which has allowed people’s material conditions to have worsened to a point that has ripened these same poorly-educated people for demagogues offering them easy scapegoats to shift the blame for their plight.
You can be angry, but to blame Americans for this is as if we have had much say kind of ignores what’s been happening here since at least Reagan’s time, if not longer.
…grab 'em by the pussy, or vets are suckers and losers, or his love letters with Kim, or his generals not being loyal like hitler’s, or shoving light up the asses of covid victims, or bleach, or TAKING A SHARPIE TO A HURRICANE MAP, or never releasing his financial records, or his fucking health records, or…
…saying it doesn’t cost $60000 to bury a ‘fucking Mexican’, or making multiple political spectacles at Arlington National Cemetery, or praising North Korea, or locker room talk, or…
… failing to pass a cognitive test, or not being able to answer what the nuclear triad is while he was a sitting president, or being impeached twice, or talking to boy scouts about sexy yacht parties, or using the US armed forces against US citizens, or…
If he wins I swear I’m going to post a collage of these moronic article titles claiming gg ez a week before elections.
Feels 1:1 like 2016.
The headline was stupid and it doesn’t match the article. The article was not nearly as categorical, And said that the points in the speech are red meat for his base but likely to turn off undecided voters
That’s because 3/4 of the FSB intelligence department is rotting in a crater somewhere in Ukraine.
Unless people go out an vote, it won’t be suicide. They’re just pandering to their base. The Dems need to participate and not go on good feels a la 2016.
he’s not planning to “win” by votes…
Yeah, but he’s not in power unlike 2016. Yes, we should watch for and be ready to react within the law to fake elector schemes, collaborating with hostile foreign interests, inciting coups and violence, etc but if we do, there’s fuck-all he can do about it. Trumpism dies with his political career. In the final stretch, let’s reject him with so many votes they can’t possibly claim another “stolen” election!
My concern is that Trump is defeated in the election, declared is stolen, and we do react within the law to fight it, but Trump is declared President by the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court anyway. Once Project 2025 starts rolling out as policy, how many of us are then willing to start reacting outside of the new law? Most Germans were not fervent supporters of the Nazi party. They just didn’t want to get in trouble with the ruling government. Are you willing to risk your life to fight the fascists? Are you willing to risk the lives of your family? Or do you learn to survive with your head down and not make waves…
Not calling anyone out for anything, but I often have to wonder about how I would react now that it keeps getting closer to reality.
Yeah man that’s probably what’s going to happen. It Worked for Bush against Gore when margins were close, and the supreme Court is even more stacked in their favor now. This is looking to be a similarly close race. My only question is will libs throw their hands up in defeat and let their last facade of democracy die or fight back in some way.
6 senators and 121 representatives (all Republican) objected to certifying Arizona’s results in the hours after the insurrection at the capitol on Jan 6th. He also has 6 justices on the Supreme Court who have already ruled that he’s above the law. Unfortunately he doesn’t need to be in power if he’s being propped up by those who do.
I think trump could go on stage, strip naked, turn around and shotgun ass blast on the front row crowd and they’d still give their lives to vote for him
The next rally would charge a premium to sit in the “splash zone”.
Damn dude, there’s not enough xanax in the world to help me cope with that mental image.
Thanks hadn’t laughed like that in a while xD
If this is what it takes to sink Trump’s ship then I’ll fully give up on ever making sense of anything ever again.
Don’t get me wrong, that shit show was a national embarrassment, but it wasn’t surprising.
Whatever. Vote, folks.
Donald Trump could walk around NYC naked and shrieking the n word and he wouldn’t lose a single follower from his base. He’s s got a cult of personality around him that is basically indestructible.
It seems that is what he’s committed to. There isn’t much talk of policy anymore from anyone on his team. They’re going all in on explicit xenophobia and transphobia and so on for this final stretch.
