Democratic strategists and organizers are hoping that if 2024 presidential nominee Kamala Harris performs well in the November election, there will be a down-ballot effect in gubernatorial, U.S. Senate and U.S. House races. Democrats have a small majority in the Senate, while Republicans have a sing...
  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    527·
    2 months ago

    If they were worried than they weren’t listening to the criticisms of Biden…

    Like, I understand why they were wrong, that doesn’t mean they weren’t wrong.

    In your example, not changing the engine would have likely resulted in a crash…

    So people insisting we kept trying to fly and just ignored the burning engine we needed to replace wouldn’t exactly be considered logical

    • Tikiporch@lemmy.world
      164·
      2 months ago

      What a strange place you’ve chosen to grind your axe. This article is about the House of Representatives.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        420·
        2 months ago

        The article is about the change from Biden to Kamala is showing signs it will boost the House…

        It’s literally the first line in the article…

        Did you just read the headline and comments? That might be why you’re confused

        • TheHiddenCatboy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          161·
          2 months ago

          I get what he’s saying. You’re here grinding your anti-Biden ax, long after Biden’s no longer on the ballot. You might have had a valid question about why everyone was so hesitant to change horses mid-race. Jesus answered that question. We took a risk that could have resulted in a much worse outcome because frequently in history, it has. And Harris was an uninspired candidate in 2020, which many of us worried she’d be in 2024. That should be good enough to end this conversation…maybe with a ‘Gee, I’m glad Harris upped her game between 2020 and now because we needed what we got this last month,’ if you ABSOLUTELY have to.

          But you’re harping on Biden in an article about the House of Representatives. You’re getting heavily downvoted and questioned about your motive. Maybe read the room? Biden is yesterday’s news. The only reason we think you’re harping on him is to try to depress Democratic turnout and we’re telling you to knock it the fuck off.

          • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
            217·
            2 months ago

            But you’re harping on Biden in an article about the House of Representatives

            Mate…

            Read the first sentence of the article…

            Democratic strategists and organizers are hoping that if 2024 presidential nominee Kamala Harris performs well in the November election, there will be a down-ballot effect in gubernatorial, U.S. Senate and U.S. House races.

            But the whole article is literally about how switching from Biden is showing signs of helping the House, it’s what the article is literally about…

            How is commenting on the subject of the article not relevant to the article?

            • TheHiddenCatboy@lemmy.worldEnglish
              113·
              2 months ago

              First, I’m not your mate so knock that shit off.

              Second, the article is about the House, not about Biden. I don’t fucking care what the first sentence says because the article is no more about the first fucking sentence than it is about the headlines or comments. Again. We’re seeing your concerns and telling you to fuck off with that bullshit.

              • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
                210·
                2 months ago

                the article is no more about the first fucking sentence than it is about the headlines or comments

                Well, you definitely didn’t read any of that, because the whole article is quotes of people saying Biden stepping aside is helping down ballot races…

                Like this:

                Outgoing Rep. Ann Kuster (D-NH) also believes that having Harris as the presidential nominee instead of Biden improves’ Democrats’ chances of flipping the House.

                Kuster told The Hill, “The path we were on was unsustainable. To be earnest, I thought we were going to lose 20-plus seats. And lose the Senate, and lose the White House.”

                Or this:

                In an article Tuesday, The Hill’s Mike Lillis reports that Democrats are "increasingly bullish about their chances of flipping the House now that Harris, and not President Joe Biden, will sit at the top of the ticket.

                Seriously, it’s the entire article mate.

        • Tikiporch@lemmy.world
          3·
          2 months ago

          I understand the content of the article, I just didn’t understand the necessity of your comment in relation to it. There isn’t a way we can quash this easily, let’s just move on.

    • Jesus@lemmy.world
      81·
      2 months ago

      Just saying that people knew Biden was a risky candidate, and people worried that swapping out the incumbent might increase the risk.

      People were making their best guesses with the information they had at the time. The only way to know for sure is to have a multiverse Time Machine.

      • Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works
        71·
        2 months ago

        Correct. A repeat of 1968 was not just possible but likely. Thankfully all resources and support were put behind Harris instead of fracturing across multiple candidates. Had the opposite happened it would have been 1968 all over again.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        212·
        2 months ago

        Or they could have listened to what was perhaps the largest outcry from voters of the Dem party, or polls, or Biden himself when he (rarely) spoke in public.

        Which is why I said:

        If they were worried than they weren’t listening to the criticisms of Biden…

        But this:

        People were making their best guesses with the information they had at the time

        Makes it sound like there was no way to tell Biden was a poor candidate, and people who spent months saying he was were just coincidentally right.

        We just disagree man, you think there was no way to tell, I think it was blatantly obvious and everyone should have been able to tell

        It’s not a big deal that we disagree, we don’t have to keep rehashing it

        • Blackbeard@lemmy.worldEnglish
          111·
          2 months ago

          It’s not a big deal that we disagree, we don’t have to keep rehashing it

          Coming from the person whose full-time job is apparently commenting the same 2-3 stale arguments on literally any thread that even tangentially involves Biden, Harris, or the Democrats, that’s absolutely rich.