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The audiophiles will crucify me, but I will accept two USBC ports as consolation.
I just hate how bulky most c connectors are and feel like that they break more easily because of that.
Right, there are cheap usb-c headphone now lol. Really no reason not to have high quality headphones with their own dedicated high end DAC
Those cheap USB c headphones virtually never have their own DAC
Thanks for the info. Still acceptable to skip the 3.5mm plug though. Just one less component easily replaced by usb-c.
And I assume there are more expensive over ear headphones with a better DAC. Not that I’d ever be able to hear much of a difference lol
The sole reason my current phone is a Motorola instead of a Fairphone. I don’t want to fuck around with additional adapters, just let me plug in my headphones directly. Also nice to be able to charge and listen at the same time.
I already have two pairs of bricked bluetooth headphones, I won’t have a third.
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What you get for the price is a European phone. No way it can compete on hardware/price with other phones.
Are they manufactured in Europe, though, or just another chinese smartphone with an OS that’s not Android or iOS?
The upcoming Jolla is manufactured in Finland afaik. Or maybe assembled is a better word? Smartphone components come from around the world and not just China.
That’s a brilliant option, compared to some of the stuff like the nothing phone
Part of the reason other phones are cheaper is because you’re the product. They’re collecting data and selling it. If you don’t want this you’re going to have to pay more.
other phones are cheaper mostly due to economies of scale, though. like, idk, china makes a few million phones at once, while in europe they make, what, a few thousand phones at once?
Volla runs Ubuntu Touch.
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it seems there are two OS options, and it can even dual boot
to add another (german) brand: https://www.shift.eco/
I had the shiftphone6 back in 2018 and I believe it had an alternative OS installed, in any case I can’t remember the google play store pre-installed (correct me if I’m wrong).
I was quite interested about a year ago, but seeing that they are now branching out to like 5 other “shift” products concerns me.
- SHIFTsound Speaker, Headphones, earbuds
- SHIFTbook laptop
- SHIFTscreen monitor
- SHIFTbike
- Other SHIFT accessories
Many of these are likely just rebranded products, not their own development.
Not really helping the good feels
Several of the products are actively being “crowd funded”…
Granted I didn’t read the fine print, but that gives me the impression that they are more involved.
I suppose they could just be preorders and gauging interest to determine how many to order with their branding. It still makes me feel a bit unsure.
Wait what? Jolla? Not only does that company exist, they are also making phones again? Really wasn’t expecting to see that name ever again.
I’ll pick Jolla. I hope their new phone will be good.
Fairphone has an atrocious update policy. They do not care for security.
I highly recommend the e/os for the fairphones. Security wise it’s really great! And with the installer not that hard to install (imo)
It’s more private than the Android version it ships with but not more secure
Usually this isn’t an issue though, depends on your threat model of course
Doesn’t seem very secure to me: https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm
I just wish there was a way to get the Fairphone in the U.S. I love the repairability aspect and I already use LineageOS as my main OS to keep my devices as long as possible. I also have access to a 3D printer to build accessories and parts for them too.
A good idea if you can’t buy Euro is to buy used and flash LineageOS if your device is supported. I’m using a Pixel 4a 5G as my driver with LineageOS since I know how to repair it and I have easy access to parts for them. (Thanks to buying bulk parts from local offices near me that used them.)
Well, I suppose that you can order one via international delivery company straight from a manufacturer/seller. It may be more expensive and longer to wait but totally possible.
I thought about doing it, but the prices for parts and importing them was my reasoning to stop because of the tariffs and the already high price of the product. But I might give it a go once I run out of parts for my Pixel 4A 5g or the LineageOS maintainer stops working on it.
I bought a fairphone 6 recently. It works as you would expect any phone to work with no noticeable downsides.
I paid extra to have /e/OS preinstalled. I could have bought the android version and upgraded it myself, but I wanted to support open source development. I want to try Ubuntu touch, but it hasn’t been updated for the fairphone 6 yet.
I can’t use any banking apps on /e/OS by default, but that’s because the apps require google play services for “security”. Enabling these services is possible, but would defeat the purpose of getting the phone to de-google. Bank websites still work, just slightly less convenient.
I dislike the case. It leaves more of the phone exposed than I would like. It does seem to protect the phone from most drops though.
I’m still disappointed by the lack of headphone jack, but I hate Google more.
I was surprised that my favourite feature became the hardware switch. I rebound it to the torch. For moments when you want a light for just a few seconds, it’s so much more convenient.
Could you download Google play, download the banking apps and then delete Google play? Does it matter to have Google play if you only use it for a few apps?
Not only the play store is needed. You need to install an special package with the whole of Google services, often while in recovery/download mode.
But, to answer/illustrate your question, as a matter of fact, you can install Play store apps even without Play store. Aurora store is an app that connects to the Google servers too get you the very same apks. That’s when you realize, after installed the banking app, that it starts bitching about the Google services missing. “This app was designed to run with Google Play Services, and cannot operate without it”. And poof, it auto closes in your face.
We need to demand from our banks that they run without Google or Apple. Maybe there are banks who do?
Google is the one reassuring them that this way their banking app won’t be tampered with by anyone. It’s how they convinced them to trust the Google/Apple in the first place. That’s why they moved away from physical tokens and the like, because the trusted agent is now Google. I’d rather go back to tokens and a webpage I could use from the phone, TBH, but that’s almost a non starter these days.
Google Play and Google Play Services are separate things. Google Play allows you to download apps, whereas Google Play Services provides the foundation that most apps are built to run on top of.
You can download apps from google play or equivalent stores, but google play services is built into the device.
The de-googled version of play services is microG. It provides many of the same API services for most apps, but can’t do the security things that banking apps request.
But is it a problem if an app is run on google services? Like does google have access to your bank data? Do they get access to other data by having it on your phone?
They get access to A LOT of what that app does. Moreover, through Google services, a lot of ad libraries can get access to a list of all your installed apps, without even asking or informing you.
Thanks for sharing!
If one of these phones runs GrapheneOS, I would be interested.
Maybe not what you’re looking for, but: https://shop.nitrokey.com/ sells Pixels with Graphene and disconnected sensors, and they’re European
holy shit, thats expensive for the 30 minutes it takes to install grapheneOS. with their web interface i would even trust my parents to not fuck up the installation of graphene.
and if i had a threat model which involves disoldering sensors, microphones, etc i wouldnt trust them as a source. not because nitrokey is untrustworthy. just because atleast in my mind almost nobody is trustworthy enough.
edit: just to be clear, no shade towards nitrokey. i just dont see the targeted customer base.
Is that another way of saying you won’t be interested?
Graphene only support Google Pixel phones, so it disqualifies anything else.
Sadly yes.
I’m really in no hurry to give Google ever money again. But whenever my current Pixel irrepairably dies i will probably just get another used Pixel and flash Graphene on it. I can really get behind the spirit to get european made phones instead. But atleast for now they all come with too much compromises in one way or another.
GrapheneOS is always looking out for a potential phone they can migrate to, since Google has stopped publishing the device trees for the Pixels. While they currently support the Pixels anyway, it is a long term goal for them to be on an independent platform.
Sounds like they should support those phones then. I don’t see reason they would block device trees.
graphene currently doesnt exist outside pixels.
I just want a dumbphone with a decent camera
Won’t happen. You can always make a smartphone dumber, but you can’t make a dumb phone smarter. Also good smartphone cameras require decent SOCs
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Isn’t HMD like Finnish
HMD is Chinese but owns a lot of former Nokia intellectual property that was related to is phones. (NOKIA had a lot of other business assets that they didn’t buy)
They are headquartered in Finland
HMD is founded by a former Nokia exec called Jean-Francois Baril. A French man. And the company is operated out of Finland. So if HMD is Chinese, because they manufacture in China, then every phone maker is Chinese.
I may be missing it, but I see no evidence that they are Chinese, other than using Foxconn manufacturing.
the only problem I have is that I cannot install my banking app 🫤
Is your banking app iOS only? Sounds like you need a new bank.
FYI a lot of bank apps require Google attestation which community android roms don’t have.
No need to be so demeaning about it. Extra so when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I just use Firefox on Linux for online banking
A bank would go bankrupt here if they only had an ios app.
Unfortunately GrapheneOS only supports Pixels.
Buy them used to prevent the money from going to Google and donate the savings to Graphene.
Or, simply don’t create value for used pixel devices by not buying them. Buying used phones of one brand will make it’s resell value for up. People like new phones with a good resell value, people buy those phones. Buying a used pixel gives money to Google.
Hey Europe, what about you sign that partnership with Mercosul so I can buy you damn stuff without having to pay 100% taxes on the price to import?
Here’s hoping, Brazil and Europe deserve to succeed!
Is it really 100%?! How much to import from the US? And China?
Yep, I took from the official gov.br website, here is the link: https://www.gov.br/receitafederal/pt-br/assuntos/aduana-e-comercio-exterior/manuais/remessas-postal-e-expressa/calculadora-versao-iii/calculadora.html
About the countries: Every country has this taxes to import, except from deals in certains products.
That why we want the deal with EU so we can buy tecnology without this shit, and sell our goods as well to get rid of depending from USA
Let’s not forget Crosscall. It’s a french brand specializing in durable phones designed for outdoor.
