DISCLAIMER: this is not my content that was removed, I just came across it in the modlog and found it to be absurd. If it’s not allowed, I totally understand.
Reason removed was because it’s unrelated.
Unrelated……
The guy was illegally deported without due process. And yet for some reason, suggesting so is somehow “unrelated” to a meme that is trying to say that because he is affiliated (no charges were ever filed against him for gang-related activity) with a gang, he is by default, guilty.
What’s ironic, is that the entire point of the meme is that the bullshit about him being in MS-13 is unrelated to the fact that people want accountability for this administration illegally deporting a man without due process.
This mod has definitely chosen the correct name.
And even taken into consideration that the instance is essentially a troll haven for wayward 4Chan refugees, they should still have to adhere to the rules of common sense.
The immigration judge literally said there was no proof he was MS-13.
Plaintiff Abrego Garcia is not a member of or has no affiliation with Tren de Aragua, MS-13, or any other criminal or street gang. Although he has been accused of general “gang affiliation,” the U.S. government has never produced an iota of evidence to support this unfounded accusation.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.1.0_1.pdf
Trump’s attempts at “proving” he was MS-13 was a laughably bad photoshop of “ms13” across his knuckles that took exactly 5 seconds of searching to disprove.
HC not beating the “just a reskinned exploding heads” allegations
Don’t say that too loudly or one of their admins will come to argue it’s totally different trust us
I thought non citizens also had a right to a fair trial?
with due process exceptions, anyone can be labelled ‘non citizen’ and treated without due process.
either everyone has due process, or no one is.
They did. And if you read a few of the comments here, it’s somehow the fault of the democrats?
The absolute bonked-zonkers thing about this is that they’ve fully memory-holed that even if this guy was undeniably part of MS-13, the group they were going after and who they had authorized this extra-judicial violence against was tren de aragua. Members of MS-13 should still, under their initial claims, not be able to be deported without trial like this.
I mean, a concerted effort to lie about known facts in a massive disinformation campaign, is unironically a reason why he is in office now. Though no way they see that context.
We have our very own r/conservative (degrogatory) now.
Why can’t they stay on their shit and be miserable there, they always follow us around and try and wreck whatever we make like the petulant whiny brats they are. I don’t go into their shitholes, why can’t they just stay out of our house
Not even they like each other. They want a constant supply of docile victims.
Because they can’t stand being around other people like themselves.
Because conservative idiots aren’t content talking to each other in their own spaces, they seek to force their ideas onto other people, even those who wish not to listen to them. It’s why they shut exploding-heads down, they were widely defederated and couldn’t force their ideas onto other people easily.
this is the million dollar question
Because they’re utterly devoid of original thought and creativity and crave the attention.
They’re every annoying prepubescent sibling you’ve ever had, but in the guise of a fully grown voting adult.
If they have all this evidence it should have been really easy to follow due process.
The thing is they don’t have enough for a conviction, if they had they would have used it.
It’s the same reason they couldn’t prove the election was stolen. Because they had no evidence.
I have questions and I don’t know the facts. Was he a non-citizen? Was he sentenced to prison by the US or El Salvador? My understanding is the Constitutional bar for deportation of non-citizens is pretty low, but sentencing someone to prison requires due process. Unless he wasn’t sentenced here, but there.
He was a non-citizen, but had protected status. Specifically, a judge had ruled that he could not be deported to El Salvador, which is where Trump et al. deported him to (e.g., in direct violation of a federal judicial order). The deportation proceedings had no due process at all, which is to say, he was never given a hearing after being arrested, never given a chance to speak to an attorney, etc. All of which is illegal.
You forgot to mention that the reason why the judge ruled he shouldn’t be deported to El Salvador is because a rival gang, since he was proven to be MS-13, might harm him if he was.
Yeah, no. There’s exactly zero evidence other than the say-so of Trump et al. that he was a member of MS-13, or any other gang. He was being targeted by gangs, yes, but you can be targeted for gang violence for doing things like, say, speaking out against gangs. Or not giving in to their extortion demands. My nephew was targeted by a gang because he was a witness to a drive-by shooting, and the DA compelled him to testify.
He was proven in immigration court TWICE in 2019 to be MS-13:
https://ijr.com/doj-releases-full-dossier-of-evidence-that-abrego-garcia-was-ms-13/
Just because you haven’t seen the evidence doesn’t mean it’s not there.
What I have heard from the other side (because I believe all news is biased so I consume as many opposing sources as I can) is that the rival gang for which he applied for asylum from, it doesn’t exist anymore. So asylum rejected I guess. I’ve only had eight days off in the last six months so I don’t have time to do real research. But I appreciate whenever I see sources for claims. I don’t believe much outside that.
What I heard is that he fled form the gang and that is why he was granted asylum. I really hate how news media works.
Where would the right place be that one might mention that ?
Right there after that person said it was ruled that he shouldn’t be deported, since that’s where it’s especially relevant given it’s a gang related reason.
A conviction for what? They don’t need to convict him of anything. He was in the country illegally, self admittedly so. He was found to be a MS-13 gang member, in the country illegally, so they deported him to his home country.
Just think about it. Out of the couple-hundred-odd people that Trump deported to El Salvador, why are the Democrats focusing on this one guy? Because the Trump admin themselves admitted that they fucked up and shouldn’t have deported him. Now they’re trying to do damage control.
I’ve seen a lot of people mention this - the reason they say it was “in error” wasn’t a “whoops he wasn’t supposed to be deported” error, there was just an incorrect line in the paperwork:
Also at the White House, Miller swipes at Reuveni, the suspended lawyer: “No one was mistakenly sent anywhere. The only mistake that was made is a lawyer put an incorrect line in a legal filing that’s since been relieved.”
That’s from a very anti-trump media source btw:
There’s no “damage control”. Immigration courts ruled he should be deported and is an MS-13 member TWICE in 2019. He self admittedly was in the USA illegally.
He is still allowed due process. Otherwise what is stopping power from deporting people on the basis of being an “illegal”, or any other reason they conjure up? Due process is literally the method for gathering objective information about the situation to determine next steps, while allowing for a defense. It is in the constitution. And it is the only way to objectively determine truth rather than “he said she said” nonsense. We’re better than this, c’mon now.
He had his due process.
He was TWICE ordered to be deported, twice ruled to be an MS-13 member, by the courts.
A judge then ordered a stay on his deportation because MS-13s rival gang would likely target him if he was sent home (strange thing to rule if he isn’t an MS-13 member, right?).
The government has invoked the illegal alien act which allows them to deport MS-13 gang members.
He was deported due to TWICE being ruled a MS-13 member by the courts.
That’s due process. What more do you think this illegal immigrant gang member should have been given? He already had his defense in court. He lost. Twice.
Due process applies to even non-citizens. 14th Amendment applies to all people within the borders.
He got his due process.
This is also blatant misinformation. No judge ever made a finding that he was associated with MS-13. The government asserted it in court but it’s never been proven. The immigration proceedings largely revolved around his asylum application, interview, and testimony.
So they’re lying in an attempt to make it sensational enough to bust past due process. For an example of how that looks long term, check Duterte’s regime in the Philippines. Many people were killed extrajudicially and written off as drug dealers.
The allegations that he is a member of MS-13 are completely from an unnamed confidential informer who is their sole source. The gang of cops involved in grabbing him up in the past includes a cop who was fired for misconduct.
The alleged “human trafficking” accusation comes from being pulled over while driving a van full of construction workers to a job site.
The entire case against him is built on lies and unproven allegations that would NEVER stand up in court, and I suspect that is true for nearly all the rest of them, too.
A reminder to MAGA Nazi Traitors that this issue isn’t about the character of this person, its about the abject dismissal of Due Process. If they can do it to this person, based on phoney and exagerrated allegations, then they can do the same thing to American citizens, and they eventually will. This is just practice, as well as wearing people down, so they get tired of hearing about it, and won’t get so personally invested the next time it happens.
Pretty much, yeah. It looks like they’re going on this as “evidence”
The Justice Department shared records, not previously made public, detailing how police officers in Maryland assessed Abrego Garcia was a member of the MS-13 gang during an arrest in 2019. He had no criminal history at the time, which the documents also state, and his attorneys have denied that he is a gang member.
We all know a police officer’s “assessment” doesn’t mean shit, but it seems this is what they’re working from.
Yeah he’s one of ours? Is that implying that the Ecuadorian president is a member of MS-13? Also they don’t seem to understand that Ecuador in Venezuela are two different countries, although yeah that one doesn’t surprise me at all really
Maybe the Ecuadorian president has killed more people than ms13 and feels like an honorary member?
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Is there evidence for this?
No, there isn’t.
Don’t give them so much credit. He won because of voter suppression laws targeting groups who typically vote democrat, and general laziness from democrats resulting in low voter turnout like usual.
Both can be true
So you think the ninety one million people are lazy democrats? Not a single lazy “I refuse to vote in protest” socialist among them?
Why would a socialist ever vote for the Democrats?
Because they understand iterated game theory. (Watch the first video at https://www.cgpgrey.com/politics-in-the-animal-kingdom/ and you might understand it, too.) FPtP means you vote for the a candidate that has a chance to win. Among those candidates you pick your most preferred / least bad option.
(Other videos at that link provide alternatives to FPtP that would better represent that preferences of the populace, and some areas in the U.S. do use non-FPtP for some parts of the election process.)
game theory doesn’t determine human behavior or elections, which depend on human behavior
You’ll never change the system by complying with the system.
That’s just not true. There’s a lot of change that is incremental and comes from within.
That said, if you have enough fighting the system to do that you absolutely can’t find time to cast a vote, please do that.
And, I also agree that the system is going to be trying to change you instead, but it’s going to be trying to do that whether you “comply” or participate or not. It is possible to vote without being instantly and irrecoverably corrupted.
Because our only other option was what we have now. It was never a good trade for anyone. But take a look around and ask yourself if Kamala would have done ANY of this shit.
Hell. Just take the damage trump’s little pet gremlin Elon has done.
Think about it. There would have been no DOGE under Harris.
That alone should have been why socialists should have voted for the democrat.
Another reason is Project 2025. He TOLD them what was going to happen. In detail. So again, there was plenty of reasons to use their vote defensively.
They chose not to.
And let’s throw in the fact that this discussion and the entire comment section wouldn’t have existed under Harris. And that is because the post would have existed. And that is because it wouldn’t have happened. And that is because we would all still have a right to due process.
In the event that they, or you- need and further answers to why they should have ever voted for a democrat- I’d suggest they read the news…
… every fucking day, for the next four years.
Ah yes, the least-worst option voting tactic, which ensures only one of two corrupt, incompetent parties can ever win the Presidency. Hardly vote inspiring is it? Do better.
So in a least-worse voting situation, you’re suggesting that the ideal course of action is inaction?
Has no one told you how voting works?
Oh and by the way, this conversation is a direct violation of the rules of this community isn’t?
Your input has absolutely nothing to do with the PTB in question. Is this a “rules for thee” situation? Because you’ve removed my comments in the past for delving into the topic of the posts that were removed, so I’m just trying to understand where the goalposts are here.
I’m simply responding directly to your comments. I agree we have strayed from the original topic, so will leave it there.
Number of times Unruffled has advocated for the solution of attending any of the protests going on right now: As far as I can tell, 0
- https://ponder.cat/search?q=protest&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=845&page=1&sort=New (also search that page for “Democrat” and “either party”)
- https://ponder.cat/search?q=50501&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=845&page=1&sort=New
- https://ponder.cat/search?q=hands+off&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=845&page=1&sort=New
Number of times Unruffled has advocated for the solution of not voting for Democrats: Jesus Christ I think I’m going to puke
How it works in your country you mean? Where voters have basically no say in the candidates they can vote for, and are attacked and disparaged by both major parties if they have the temerity to vote for a candidate they actually like? Sounds like a healthy “democracy” to me, sure. The whole point of a democracy is voting for folks who represent your views. If neither of the two mainstream parties reflect your views then you are completely disenfranchised under that system. Accepting the premise that only one of two parties can ever win a Presidential election means that you have already given up on democracy. Holding your nose and voting for the least worst candidate only serves to prop up the two party system in perpetuity, and ensures your views will never be represented in the future.
Plenty of those. Those people should have voted for the socialist candidates like I did! Not voting was silly. On the other hand, people are free to choose to vote or not.
Wasn’t there also the slight issue of many not bothering to vote at all or not willing to vote for the more democratic candidate over Israel or something? So much drama in the states…
Yeah all those “gEnOciDe” trolls have mystically vanished since then …
I’m no anti electoralist, but people are still protesting the genocide.
There was a specific crowd pretending only democrats could have responsibility for it and that Trump could not be worse
you’re making that up.
I saw them with my own eyes.
can you show me?
No, that’s not what they said, and I still see most of those names posting around Lemmy all the time
Usually saying “toldja”, fun y enough
Either we’re not talking about the same crowd, or you need to work on your reading comprehension
I haven’t gone anywhere. Frankly you’re a piece of shit for implying everybody who cared about gaza was a foreign troll. The fact you’re entirely lacking empathy for foreigners and only care about your own sheltered ass doesn’t mean we’re all like that. Scumbag
What’s happening in palestine is blatantly abhorrent, but voting dem would have ended in a much more favourable outcome (not a good outcome, but better).
If you mean a more favorable outcome in Palestine, I… don’t think so. I mean I voted for Harris, and a mostly democratic ballot from top to bottom, but I really don’t think she would have changed the behavior of Israel in Palestine or even significantly change U.S.A. actions that support that behavior.
But, she wouldn’t have trashed our relationship with every trading partner, ruined the NIH and FDA, published military plans in the newspaper. She might have been better on trans rights, but maybe not. So, yeah a more favorable outcome overall, at least IMO.
While I wasn’t referring to Palestine specifically, I feel it would have been tangentially more preferable, but still awful for Palestine.
I think she would have been on par with biden on trans rights.
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that user is always occupying the ever-common Lemmy superposition of dunking relentlessly on people for being pro Palestine, but then if pressed will desperately act like they’re also pro Palestine and claim that it’s your responsibility to prove why they’re not.
This one you’re replying to in particular is also just a chauvinist who loves calling Russians orcs
I don’t think those people are dunking on people for being pro-palestine, they’re dunking on them not voting because of Palestine.
Believe it or not, not everyone is a shit stain American who got to vote for one of your two shitty mainstream candidates, both of which support Israel to the hilt.
My parties? I’m Irish and all three of our major parties support palestine.
Yeah all those “gEnOciDe” trolls have mystically vanished since then …
A charitable read is that it’s only dunking on people for the electoral choices, but the racist comment history and shitty previous interactions I’ve had with this particular user is why I don’t have any charity today.
This “superposition” tactic has a name: Motte-and-bailey argument
Is that similar to being pro-Palestine while they’re being invaded yet pro-Russian while they’re invading?
No, and
loves calling Russians orcs
Orcs : (in fantasy literature and games) a member of an imaginary race of humanlike creatures, characterized as ugly, warlike, and malevolent.
Average ‘anti-racist’ lib.
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38% of registered voters didn’t bother to vote. I think many of them couldn’t stomach either candidate in the fake two-party system and didn’t think a third party or independent could win so they didn’t bother. If that 38% had gotten behind a candidate like Jill Stein or a write in campaign for Bernie Sanders, they could have beaten Trump and Harris.
Preach, friend! 100 percent true!
Jill Stein was a spoiler candidate to help Trump
There can be only two candidates to choose from, and both will be genocide supporters, and you will be happy you have a vote.
You do realize the Green Party has been around much longer than Trump has been involved in politics, right? Jill Stein has been running on the ticket since at least 2012. The Green party opposes everything Trump and MAGA stand for.
That’s what they’re supposed to do, doesn’t mean it’s what they do in practice.
no she wasn’t
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-says-jill-stein-favorite-politicians-1980202
https://fairvote.org/jill-stein-and-spoiler-season/
Despite this poll, the conventional wisdom remains (and most polling suggests) that Green candidates hurt Democrats more than Republicans. The parties seem to be approaching Stein’s campaign accordingly.
In addition to the ad, Democrats have hammered Stein’s candidacy in recent weeks. Conservative operatives tried to help Stein qualify for the ballot in key states to hurt Vice President Harris (just as Democrats tried to help a Constitution Party candidate to hurt former President Trump).
One thing is clear: fear and weaponization of minor-party “spoilers” is alive and well in the last days of the 2024 presidential election – except in Maine and Alaska, which use ranked choice voting to vote for president.
With ranked choice voting, neither side would have to worry about the election being “spoiled,” and voters could confidently cast their ballots for their favorite candidate instead of feeling pressured to pick the lesser of two evils.
this doesn’t prove your claim.
Wake up.
prove the claim.
No, I’m not interested in doing your homework for you. Prove I’m wrong.
There was a reason she didn’t run in 2020 and that’s because her interference wasn’t needed that year.
that’s the year I voted for Howie Hawkins. you’re just spreading a baseless conspiracy theory
It’s baseless that she didn’t run in 2020?
And if significantly less than that 38% had voted for Harris when Trump told them he would destroy America, they could have beaten Trump.
Maybe folks don’t want to vote for their own oppressors, whether the oppressor in chief is Trump or Harris? But Harris would have been less oppressive you say? Tell that to the working poor who have ballooned in numbers under both Democrats and Republicans. And tell it to the Palestinians, most of whom were killed with Biden’s bombs.
Riiiight. Yeah. Let’s all take a look around and see how we are SO much better off as a result of your inaction.
My inaction? I’m not American. And neither do I accept the pitiful attempt of Democrats to deflect blame onto everyone but themselves for their embarrassing loss to a literal moron. You lot fucked around with plutocracy and reached the endgame early. Sucks to be you I guess.
As I’ve said before, I have had comments removed from here for bringing up something unrelated to the PTB. Even though it was related as it involved the same mod, it was removed anyway.
Now you’re here to debate a topic unrelated to the mod or the topic, even after I’ve said that I won’t discuss it with you here because I’m following the rules that were cited as reason for the removal of my comments in another post.
Ask yourself why Trump wasn’t put in prison for Jan 6th as soon as Biden took office. There are not two separate parties. There is a single party pretending to be two parties. They all work for the same corporations and they all take bribes from AIPAC. That’s why 38% didn’t bother to vote.
Probably because there were only a few guns found, and he sent mixed messages including telling people to be peaceful and later to go home. I’ve even seen threads here where people admit it wasn’t a real insurrection. It was less violent than things that have happened in places like Seattle - and I get that different rules apply at the Capitol - but bottom line it wasn’t a slam dunk as disqualifying him in the public’s opinion.
Revisionism
Ask for the guards’ takes on what happened instead
I have heard the guards takes and I think I have a grasp on the nature of the event. I’ve also watched tons of videos including unprompted violence and also the guards letting people in, giving no resistance at all. It was a fucked up day, but was anything I said untrue?
what are you gonna do about it?
grow up, either grab a rifle and start shooting at political candidates or vote for the lesser evil, you can’t sit in the corner and cry like a 5 year old waiting for the teacher to come and defend you.
This is the real world, nobody is gonna help you but yourself.
Yes, it is unfair, it is fucked and it is bad, but really, what are you gonna do about it?
There is no lesser evil. You either support human rights or you support tyranny, oppression and genocide. Democrats and Republicans don’t support human rights, they support corporate power which leads to tyranny, oppression and genocide. You can’t lie to me and say you care about women’s rights and reproductive freedom, for example, while providing funding and political support to exterminate women in Palestine. See how that doesn’t add up.
there are lots of other options
That sounds like election denial. I thought you guys didn’t do that?
Chuckles the clown should be put on blast everyday.
The administration of HilariousChaos aren’t any better as they don’t have any control or want to have any control over the people in their instance.
The entire instance is a fucking joke in name only. I was invited to make an account there around when they started by some kid named “Alice.” I noped the fuck out the minute I saw what it was:
A shit-tier wannabe cover-band of 4Chan’s greatest hits.
Is it mostly traitor lunatics or just random stuff including the traitors?
They need to be found and blasted, that way no one has to deal with them anymore
Nazi instance supporting Nazis, not a shock.
PTB, clear and simple. Someday they will be mass defederated. I don’t think my instance gets them, but I haven’t been looking for more digital self harm by reading Nazis advocating for my kind to be removed.
I don’t think my instance gets them
We do. 👍
Damn. Well, still glad I didn’t go looking for them.
PTB, clear and simple.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
Someday they will be mass defederated.
One can dream.
“He’s MS-13!” Prove it in court then. Fuck me I’m tired of Americans being 100% wrong about everything and then trying to sound adult by having lengthy ‘debates’ about it.
Already proven in court. Twice.
On the off-chance that you don’t actually know that what you’ve said is incorrect, here’s a link to wikipedia. Skip on down to the section, “2019 detention and bond hearings.” You’ll see that whatever dumbass told you that a court “proved” that Mr. Garcia was related to MS-13 was saying that ICE found that he couldn’t prove he wasn’t, once, and they upheld that he couldn’t prove he wasn’t, on an appeal. Neither of which is proving anything in court once, let alone twice.
Further, an immigration judge granted him “withholding of removal” status. This is notable because it’s much harder to get a “withholding of removal” than getting granted asylum, because you have to prove that if you’re sent to the country in question, the government will either persecute you, or choose not to protect you from prosecution.
So, to recap, it’s not only not been proved that this guy has any relation to MS-13, but it’s been proven to an actual court that if he gets sent to El Salvador, the Barrio 18 gang will kill him. Because the only evidence he has any connection to a gang, is that there’s a gang that wants to kill him.
Wrong. About pretty much everything you just said.
https://ijr.com/doj-releases-full-dossier-of-evidence-that-abrego-garcia-was-ms-13/
He was proven to be MS-13. He doesn’t have to prove he isn’t, they have to prove he is - and they did. Twice. That’s how courts work.
FYI Wikipedia is not a trusted or reliable source. Avoid using it in future. There’s a reason it’s not allowed as a source in higher education.
Also wrong about the withholding of removal order. He was not granted that due to government persecution - he was granted it because the main rival gang to MS-13 would likely target him. What a strange thing to rule if he isn’t an MS-13 member, right?
So… the thing is, you linked a right-wing nutjob site, but! I looked into it anyway because I’m always willing to do that. And if you scroll down to where the rag you’re linking says, “which he has disputed in court, are included in the release,” you would see the word “included” there is a hyperlink to a justice.gov website, which is the documents involved with the subsection, “2019 detention and bond hearings” to which I directed you.
That document is an officer talking about the other men that Garcia was with, they’re suspected ties to MS-13, and then they talk about Garcia. Why was he suspected of being with MS-13? He was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat. “Officers know such clothing to be indicative of the Hispanic gang culture.” His crime was being in a Home Depot parking lot, looking for work, and wearing a Chicago Bulls hat. And I can’t stress enough that the wikipedia link which you found less trustworthy than this garbage, had all of this information!
To continue showing evidence of what I say, here is a link to an actual court document, citing the withholding of removal order. Which was granted. What you’re looking for is at the bottom of page 2- “Although Abrego Garcia was found removable, the immigration judge granted him withholding of removal to El Salvador in an order dated October 10, 2019.”
That ‘court document,’ is the Defendant’s Memorandum of Law in Opposition to Plaintiff’s Emergency Motion for Temporary Restraining Order. Why am I emphasizing that? Because this was filed by the Department of Homeland Security. This is a document, supplied to court, by Trump’s administration, which states that the withholding status was granted.
You can send me garbage articles from idiots all day but nothing will compete with, “Kristi Noem and the Department of Homeland Security list that the withholding status was granted in an actual filing with the court.” And they not only state that it was granted, they do so under the heading, “Statement of Facts.” Enjoy.
Finally, the reason that the Barrio 18 was after him had nothing to do with MS-13. They were after him, like they had been after his older brother before him- his mother owns a business, and the Barrio 18 were extorting her.
I’d say I’m looking forward to your next reply, but I’m sure it’ll be an extensive moving of goalposts. He had the withholding status. He shouldn’t have been deported. The Supreme Court agrees with me. That’s really all I need.
I have no idea what the site is, came up as first result in search, but what the site is is irrelevant as it’s simply reporting on what the White House/doj/etc has said. I’ve linked AP and other left-wing nut job sites too when they have the correct sources even if I don’t agree with the opinions written around the sources and statements.
He had withholding status, absolutely. The illegal alien act that has been invoked, however, arguably gave them the power to disregard that and deport him. That can be challenged in court if someone wants to.
You’re also telling lies by saying that the only reason he was determined to be a MS-13 gang member was because of how he was dressed. The government has confirmed that confidential information given to them confirmed that he was MS-13. Not the current government, but the one in 2019. His tattoos on his knuckles fit the mould. The El Salvador president says he is MS-13 and that they wanted him deported to them.
The evidence is stacked up that he is a MS-13 gang member, and he admits to being in the country illegally. What do YOU think should have been done with him if not deportation to his home country where he is a citizen?
As for your reasons why the MS-13 rival gang are after him - that’s all just conjecture. It’s what an illegal immigrant said when faced with being deported to a country he doesn’t want to go back to. It could be true. On the balance of probability, given all we know - illegally entered the country, determined to be a MS-13 gang member, hangs around with other known MS-13 gang members, wears/wore gang affiliated clothing (and yes, the Chicago bulls hat is known to be a MS-13 article of clothing, even if you think it was just a coincidence), has probable gang tattoos, fears being deported - it’s probably a safe bet that what he is saying isn’t 100% true.
One aside - on page 3 of that first document it says in one section (humanitarian issues) that he has no fear of returning to El Salvador, but then under another section (intelligence information) it says that he has fear of returning to El Salvador. I’d love to know which it is meant to be, because it can’t be both. It says he declined the offer to call the consulate office in El Salvador. I’m guessing there was no update or clarification of this document that is available?
Sure it has. Go on, do tell. Which court? What case? Who was the Judge?
Ok, that’s something. Let’s see, the article headline still says “DOJ Releases Dossier Of Deported Maryland Man’s Alleged MS-13 Gang Ties.” Emphasis added by me. Now why would they say “alleged” if the court already found him guilty? Ah, right, because those were bond hearings. Yes, I actually read the legal documents linked by that article and both court findings were that the unproven claims of gang affiliation, combined with the fact that he had missed traffic court in the past, were sufficient to deny release on bond until his status hearing could be held. No further hearing was ever held. At no point did the legal system establish guilt, make a definitive finding of fact, or make a judicial decision on his deportation.
So, unless you have other court records to link me to that show otherwise, then you are wrong: no such thing has been legally proven.
Edit: Even the appeals Judge refers to it as “allegations of gang affiliation” in their order affirming the lower court decision that you are calling proof.
They weren’t establishing guilt other than was he there illegally, which he was. They did determine that he is an MS-13 member.
The allegations of being a gang member were substantiated. Twice. They didn’t go “oh he didn’t show to traffic court, that means he’s a gang member allegedly” lol
He was ordered to be deported twice - that’s why another court then said he can’t be deported to El Salvador lol
Seriously, read the actual fucking legal documents linked in that biased-ass article. They denied him bond while waiting for the real hearing due to the gang allegations. Nothing more, nothing less. The judges themselves refer to them as allegations in their findings. The traffic court thing is unrelated to him being a gang member, it is relevant to if he should be released while waiting, which is the only thing they were finding on. I read the orders myself, they clearly make no finding on if he’s in a gang and no findings on deportation.
This person isn’t arguing in good faith. They straight up ignored my reply to try and argue with you. I linked the same documents that came from that same bullshit article they linked to me and they refuse to look at them, they just keep parroting, “proven in court twice! Proven in court twice!”
They’re going to argue with anything they see, and they can’t be swayed by facts.
The allegations were determined to be true. Do you think that gang members carry a gang membership card or something? There’s no “official” gang membership paperwork, everything is “alleged” even after courts deem the allegations to be true.
He admits to being in the country illegally. He was found to be a MS-13 gang member. Both of those things are cause for deportation individually. When you combine they it’s a slam dunk. The only reason he wasn’t deported was because of fear that MS-13s rival gang would persecute him upon his return, which basically confirms that he is an MS-13 member. If he’s not MS-13, why would MS-13s rival gang want him dead?
Why do you think that it even got to the ruling staying his deportation? Because he was going to be deported. 6 years ago. For some absurd reason he has just been able to wander around the USA as an illegal immigrant for the last 6 years because some judge said sending him home is dangerous because of a rival gang 🤣. What sort of stupid situation is that? Illegally in the country, known about, but allowed to stay because not allowed to send him to his home country where he is a citizen.
So what’s the next step? Deport him to a random country where he isn’t a citizen either, where they’ll just send him straight back? Put him in jail for breaking the law by coming in to the country illegally? They can’t just block the only available deportation destination so he gets to illegally stay in the USA forever. So again - what is the next step? What do YOU think should be done with him? He would NOT win any court case fighting against his illegal alien status because he is an illegal alien, self admittedly.
Hilariouschaos seems to pop up a lot here lately
Idk when chuckles became a mod or admin but they’re eleventy times worse than Alice.
It’s certainly chaos but there’s a distinct lack of hilarity.
Alice is okay, just a bit overenthusiastic with niche communities.
Chuckles seems to be a completely different level
There’s a good reason for that.
Hilariouschaos and Lemmy.today tend to be known to be the conservative instances.
Hilariouschaos is one person pretending to be multiple people. Unhinged behavior
How do you know?
Half joking but it’s the vibe I get. Not sure how many actual people there are but the admin(s) definitely has multiple accounts and talks to themselves in “themed” communities. Like the Governor Chris Christie account
today is only ‘conservative’ thanks to one very prolific poster. Some of us are sane. Block ‘that’ user (and all the alts, I guess) and the community he posts in.
Hmm, I don’t know if I can do the bang within a hyperlink, so here [email protected]
I got into a discussion with two of the admins there. They basically have every intention to sit on their hands and do nothing at all about that troll, even though proof was brought right to their fucking doorstep.
So it seems .today is going to be his own little personal echo chamber.
That community only has one user.
mrmanager of lemmy.today is just a bartender keeping to himself
They protect Universal Monk and his alt characters even after having been given evidence. They basically chose not to bother looking into it.
I’m about ready to block the instance. Not much of value will be lost.
Nothing at all will be lost. They’ll still show up in the modlogs. That’s where I saw this idiot’s work.
I think I was banned from there for calling out one of Universal Monk’s alt characters. I still see his shit show up in the logs.
PTB in this case.
