The issue with finding homosexual behaviour in animals is that it’s never exclusive. Homosexual animals tend to be bisexual at best, and can often be chalked up to erroneous mating.
A lot of these studies are used to validate human homosexuality and harm the “it’s unnatural!” argument touted by conservatives. However using a Call to Nature is fallacious, and could be used to validate all number of animal behaviour.
Never is a strong word when that’s just not true
An animal model of spontaneous exclusive homosexuality has however been described in sheep. About 8% of the males in a population studied in the western United States were shown to mate exclusively with other males, even when the choice was given between a male or female partner (Perkins and Roselli, 2007; Roselli et al., 2011b).
People who publish scientific articles should be forced to declare their religious views at the top of the article so that if anything is listed other than “none” then it can just be automatically discarded unless it’s replicated by a non-religious scientist. Religion just ruins everything, like running a computer with Windows.
I’m as atheist as atheist gets, and I completely disagree with this, and it honestly smacks of edgy teen r/atheism. Just because you’re religious doesn’t mean you’d engage in that kind of dishonesty. Some of the greatest scientific discoveries in human history were made by religious people.
Also:
“Religion just ruins everything, like running a computer with Windows.” “@secretlyaddictedtolinux”
Username absolutely does NOT check out, lol
I don’t consider myself as religious, but this is just such a bad take.
I too dislike religion, but judging people based on their beliefs and discrediting their views because of it is exactly the problem.
I disagree. For hundreds of years, illogical religious beliefs have biased science. People should have a right to know if scientists have religious beliefs so they can be weary of their agendas affecting the results. Many religious beliefs are obviously illogical and make no sense and if a scientist believes them, it does illuminate the likelihood of the accuracy of their results.
For many years “scientists” said homosexuality was caused by “mental illness” and then suddenly they decided it’s not. There were entire scientific programs devoted to racist beliefs that were psuedoscientific and often impacted by religious views justifying racism. Of course religion biases science and is a problem in having unbiased research!
I don’t think we should outlaw religious people from practicing science, but their views should at least be known so people can scrutinize their work more closely.
Question… do you realize how fascist this sounds?
You might mean well, but all you’re doing is changing who’s being discriminated against.
Not cool.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition defines fascist as an advocate or adherent of fascism, A reactionary or dictatorial person, An adherent of fascism or similar right-wing authoritarian views.
I’m not saying right now we need to put all religious people to death, I am just tired of their lies infecting science. The idea that the delusional morons who believe their deities float on clouds and their virgins give birth are capable of objective science is preposterous. If such “miracles” exist, then the universe doesn’t follow laws of math. Yes, if we are living in a simulated reality that can be hacked then such miracles could happen, but unless a religious scientist is practicing Kali, I don’t want their religion polluting data with bullshit.
No. You’re just saying we need to label religious professionals.
The yellow badge was part of a racist ideology based on eugenics pseudoscience.
This is not race or ethnicity based or part of a political movement. However, if you are a conservative Christian who believes that a virgin gave birth, that Sunday bread has supernatural properties, and listen to the Pope and religious sermons on a regular basis, then YES, IT DOES AFFECT YOUR FETAL PAIN STUDY when you clearly are trying to outlaw abortion because your religion wants that.
My wanting to know the religious bias of someone believing in illogical fairy tale bullshit is not the equivalent of Nazism, who would have put someone like me to death many times over. I don’t want bullshit to taint science. It’s an understandable request. The atheists of the world have been dealing with religious bullshit for so long, it’s fair to want real data.
If we had the religious bias of scientists clearly known, it would be illuminating in many ways, including scientific equivalency which has become the new moral equivalency.
Right now you have “one the one hand, these 90 scientists believe we are all going to die from global warming but these 10 scientists think this is a normal trend”
I would MUCH rather have “on the one hand, these 90 scientists who believe the world is governed by math think we are all going to die from global warming, and these 10 catholic scientists who think a virgin got pregnant and gave birth without sexual fertilization and that jesus will always protect the planet think this is a normal trend”
this is not a ridiculous or fascist position and religious bullshit has infected climate science, and studying psychology, and led to justifications for racism and homophobia and OFTEN results in scientific conclusions that conveniently seem to at first line up with religion… until more and more data eventually proves it to be bullshit. This is not about discrimination. I want bullshit out of the data set.
i’m sorry that you have to live with such anger in your heart, G*D bless your poor soul 🫰🫰
I’m guessing most animal behaviorists have priorities other than watching who is fucking whom. Unless we’re talking long-term bonding pairs, which are much easier to observe, but those are not the norm in the animal kingdom.
No, the world and by extension science are just full of homophobia and strict, phantastical, expectations of what sexuality should look like.
I mean that’s cool and all but that’s not really a debunking of biblical creation or sexual order if you take it at what it says and not what traditional religion tells you it says. There wasn’t supposed to be death, so animals shouldn’t have eaten each other. It also describes something like an asexual heaven. So even if homosexuality isn’t in the eternal perfection, everything now is imperfect so it’s just like everything else.
Where does the Bible describe an asexual heaven? Do you mean because Revelation says the only people who get to go to heaven are a small number of men?
I was stretching it a bit but this is from Jesus:
Matthew 22:30 (NIV Bible)
“At the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.”
Animal sexual behavior is under-reported in general, I think. Do not forget to report!
Probably because a lot of it is real fucked up, and makes people uncomfortable.
Like female bedbugs not having vaginas and so males have a sharp penis and literally stab the females with it often resulting in death of the female, because it’s literally just an open wound.
Further, male angler fish only exist to find the female, touch her, get stuck to her, and get absorbed by her body until all that’s left is the testes, now absorbed by and part of the female. The female can hold multiple testes of multiple males inside of her and choose to self-impregnate whenever she chooses.
Don’t even get me started on felines and spiny penises so the female can’t escape once the male has entered.
Like a huge amount of animal sex is rape.
Yeah I don’t spend my time reporting it because all it does is remind me how lucky I am to be human and be able to have a consensual, loving relationship with another human.
If cat cock upsets you, don’t look up duck dick.
try hyena clit instead
i mean they could look up Echidna Dick
