Well yeah. What irritates me is that leftists aren’t asking for anything that big from Biden this time. They just want their government to stop funding and facilitating a genocide. They just want Biden to stop being wishy washy and come out definitively against this genocide, and take actions to discourage, and I can’t stress this enough, a fucking genocide.
And he’s saying “no.” And then democrats are trying to shame leftists for not voting for someone who won’t stop helping another country commit genocide.
You can’t just pay lip service and then continue to fund the ones doing the genocide and expect me to give you points for that. You can try and convince me otherwise, but at the end of the day I am not voting for anybody that supports a genocide. I can’t, and I fucking won’t. If Biden doesn’t want the guy who’s calling for him to go to literal prison to gain power all he has to do is not facilitate a genocide and if he cannot bring himself to do this simple thing then I can’t bring myself to vote for him.
This is all hypothetical for me because I’m Canadian, but this is how leftists in America see the issue. And y’all keep parroting the same lesser of two evils nonsense you always peddle that never works. Why is it that it’s so much easier for you guys to tell leftists they need to vote for genocide than it is to tell democrats that they need to tell their leaders not to facilitate a genocide? It boggles my mind and makes absolutely zero sense to me.
People focus obsessively on the presidency for zero reason. Many don’t even vote in non presidential elections. Effectively squandering their vote.
The presidency is a symptom of the larger party. We’ll never change the presidency until we change the underlying party. Because let’s be clear. The House and Senate could be pushing back against the president for what he’s doing if they wanted to. They don’t. And that’s the larger problem.
We can have a much bigger impact on House and Senate elections than we will ever have on the presidency or the presidency will ever have on us. I wouldn’t give a flying fuck who was president as long as the house senate Etc was in order. They’d keep him in line.
If you’re not actively fighting against right-wing nationalism, then you’re complicit. Your inaction will give aid and comfort to the people that seek to do harm here. Or, in your case, in Canada. I saw how Trump infected your own right wing, and how the cancer has spread north of our border. Unless you’re okay with that consuming your country too, you better do everything in your power to fight against it, even when it means that you’re supporting some shit that might not like. Because voting is triage.
I think that everyone here wants the genocide to end. But you, as a voter, do not have any choices that will immediately stop the genocide. Your choices are either a person that’s calling for a cease-fire, or a person that’s telling Israel to pick it’s pace up. Sitting it out means that the guy calling for more and faster genocide is much more likely to win, which means you’ve effectively voted for more effective genocide.
You want real, lasting change? Start local, with city elections, and then moving them to state office, and up to national office.
lol what you’re saying is insanity. If I don’t want to support right wing movements, I should support voting for a Democratic Party that is continuing to push things to the right?
Let’s say you’re in Topeka, Kansas. You want to go east, to New York City. You’ve got one bus ticket to anywhere, and no other cash for a motel or plane ticket. There are only two buses, and you have to choose one of them. There are no other options; you can’t sleep in the station and hope that there’s another bus eventually, and walking to New York isn’t very reasonable. One of buses goes west, to Los Angeles. The other one is going north, to Minneapolis. Which bus are you getting on?
That’s what your vote is.
If you want to vote Republican, you’re going to be even farther from where you want to be, and it’s going to be harder to get to your destination. If you vote Democrat, you’re at least not moving the needle by much, which is the least-bad option that you have. Yes, there will be harm if Biden is elected. There will be far more harm if Trump is.
Did they do this description on some popular liberal podcast recently or on some democrats meme page or something? Because you’re all parroting the exact same bullshit analogy to me every time.
It’s the same thing that happened with Trump VS Hilary. The shaming leftists into supporting the democrats thing doesn’t work and will lose you an election. Time to try something different.
Or don’t learn from your mistakes, I don’t give a fuck. Just stay out of the way of leftists when it’s time for actual change and they’re the ones actually fighting for it in your country, as usual.
But you said all you needed to say right there. You want to help Joe Biden win to help kids in your area. Not that it matters to you that most of the population in Gaza are children. Fuck them kids, they’re there and you’re here right? God I just don’t understand you people.
If you won’t stand up and fight for the LGBTQ+ people here, the women and children here, the ethnic and religious minorities here, now, then don’t expect anyone to help you when it’s your ass on the line.
Okay yes true, then do the work then get us a non First Past The Post voting system that allows for more parties. Complaining at the last minute that you don’t like the choices given, when you haven’t put work into changing why those are the choices, means you’re just shouting into the wind.
Well if you don’t want that to happen start pushing democrats to stop supporting genocide. At this point it’s on the people willing to support lesser of two evils genocide far more than it is on the people who refuse to vote for genocide. If you don’t threaten to withhold your vote from people who are committing genocide then why the fuck would they stop
Well yeah. What irritates me is that leftists aren’t asking for anything that big from Biden this time. They just want their government to stop funding and facilitating a genocide. They just want Biden to stop being wishy washy and come out definitively against this genocide, and take actions to discourage, and I can’t stress this enough, a fucking genocide.
And he’s saying “no.” And then democrats are trying to shame leftists for not voting for someone who won’t stop helping another country commit genocide.
It’s fucking insane.
Your fundamental choices here are
A) A guy that’s calling for a ceasefire
or
B) A guy that’s calling on Israel to speed it up
If you don’t vote for A, you’re effectively voting for B.
I don’t like it one bit, but that’s why people–and I mean everyone–needs to learn to be strategic in their voting.
You can’t just pay lip service and then continue to fund the ones doing the genocide and expect me to give you points for that. You can try and convince me otherwise, but at the end of the day I am not voting for anybody that supports a genocide. I can’t, and I fucking won’t. If Biden doesn’t want the guy who’s calling for him to go to literal prison to gain power all he has to do is not facilitate a genocide and if he cannot bring himself to do this simple thing then I can’t bring myself to vote for him.
This is all hypothetical for me because I’m Canadian, but this is how leftists in America see the issue. And y’all keep parroting the same lesser of two evils nonsense you always peddle that never works. Why is it that it’s so much easier for you guys to tell leftists they need to vote for genocide than it is to tell democrats that they need to tell their leaders not to facilitate a genocide? It boggles my mind and makes absolutely zero sense to me.
People focus obsessively on the presidency for zero reason. Many don’t even vote in non presidential elections. Effectively squandering their vote.
The presidency is a symptom of the larger party. We’ll never change the presidency until we change the underlying party. Because let’s be clear. The House and Senate could be pushing back against the president for what he’s doing if they wanted to. They don’t. And that’s the larger problem.
We can have a much bigger impact on House and Senate elections than we will ever have on the presidency or the presidency will ever have on us. I wouldn’t give a flying fuck who was president as long as the house senate Etc was in order. They’d keep him in line.
If you’re not actively fighting against right-wing nationalism, then you’re complicit. Your inaction will give aid and comfort to the people that seek to do harm here. Or, in your case, in Canada. I saw how Trump infected your own right wing, and how the cancer has spread north of our border. Unless you’re okay with that consuming your country too, you better do everything in your power to fight against it, even when it means that you’re supporting some shit that might not like. Because voting is triage.
One could say if you’re not actively fighting against genocide then you’re complicit.
I think that everyone here wants the genocide to end. But you, as a voter, do not have any choices that will immediately stop the genocide. Your choices are either a person that’s calling for a cease-fire, or a person that’s telling Israel to pick it’s pace up. Sitting it out means that the guy calling for more and faster genocide is much more likely to win, which means you’ve effectively voted for more effective genocide.
You want real, lasting change? Start local, with city elections, and then moving them to state office, and up to national office.
We have no mechanism to fight against genocide.
lol what you’re saying is insanity. If I don’t want to support right wing movements, I should support voting for a Democratic Party that is continuing to push things to the right?
What utter nonsense.
Let’s say you’re in Topeka, Kansas. You want to go east, to New York City. You’ve got one bus ticket to anywhere, and no other cash for a motel or plane ticket. There are only two buses, and you have to choose one of them. There are no other options; you can’t sleep in the station and hope that there’s another bus eventually, and walking to New York isn’t very reasonable. One of buses goes west, to Los Angeles. The other one is going north, to Minneapolis. Which bus are you getting on?
That’s what your vote is.
If you want to vote Republican, you’re going to be even farther from where you want to be, and it’s going to be harder to get to your destination. If you vote Democrat, you’re at least not moving the needle by much, which is the least-bad option that you have. Yes, there will be harm if Biden is elected. There will be far more harm if Trump is.
Did they do this description on some popular liberal podcast recently or on some democrats meme page or something? Because you’re all parroting the exact same bullshit analogy to me every time.
It’s the same thing that happened with Trump VS Hilary. The shaming leftists into supporting the democrats thing doesn’t work and will lose you an election. Time to try something different.
Or don’t learn from your mistakes, I don’t give a fuck. Just stay out of the way of leftists when it’s time for actual change and they’re the ones actually fighting for it in your country, as usual.
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But you said all you needed to say right there. You want to help Joe Biden win to help kids in your area. Not that it matters to you that most of the population in Gaza are children. Fuck them kids, they’re there and you’re here right? God I just don’t understand you people.
Biden is complicit.
“I know you are but what am I”
You having an off day? This is not up to your regular level of trolling.
There’s a third choice: check out mentally.
Silence is complicity.
If you won’t stand up and fight for the LGBTQ+ people here, the women and children here, the ethnic and religious minorities here, now, then don’t expect anyone to help you when it’s your ass on the line.
How about suicide? Is that complicity? Because that comes after checking out.
It’s not like in this particular topic there’s much choice. Maybe a two party system isn’t all that great?
Okay yes true, then do the work then get us a non First Past The Post voting system that allows for more parties. Complaining at the last minute that you don’t like the choices given, when you haven’t put work into changing why those are the choices, means you’re just shouting into the wind.
It is fucking insane, but it’s nonsense to punish him by handing power the guy that wants to genocide harder.
It’s not nonsense to check out mentally and become apathetic. It’s a very rational response to inescapable traumatic conditions.
Well if you don’t want that to happen start pushing democrats to stop supporting genocide. At this point it’s on the people willing to support lesser of two evils genocide far more than it is on the people who refuse to vote for genocide. If you don’t threaten to withhold your vote from people who are committing genocide then why the fuck would they stop
TIL I’m in Israel and not the US.