Professors from across the country have long been lured to Florida’s public colleges and universities, with the educators attracted to the research opportunities, student bodies, and the warm weather.
But for a swath of liberal-leaning professors, many of them holding highly coveted tenured positions, they’ve felt increasingly out of place in the Sunshine State. And some of them are pointing to the conservative administration of Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis as the reason for their departures, according to The New York Times.
DeSantis, who was elected to the governorship in 2018 and was easily reelected last fall, has over the course of his tenure worked to put a conservative imprint on a state where moderation was once a driving force in state politics. In recent years, DeSantis has railed against the current process by which tenure is awarded, and with a largely compliant GOP-controlled legislature, he’s imposed conservative education reforms across the state.
The article keeps saying “conservative” when the correct descriptors would be “fascist”, “bigoted” and “anti-education”.
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conservativefascist administration of Republican Gov. Ron DeSantisworked to put a[n]
conservativeanti-education imprint on [the] statewith a largely compliant GOP-controlled legislature, he’s imposed
conservativebigoted education reforms across the state.The conservative platform is all of those things, so it’s completely fair to call it that. The entire party is rotten to the core because they are simply ok with being the party of all of those things.
I’m not defending “normal conservatives” and other delusional participants in hate from being associated with this kind of barbarism. My gripe is with threefold:
1: Don’t just repeat the same word when synonyms and even better suited words exist. It’s lazy writing and annoying to read
2: More importantly, the rise of fascism and related far right demagoguery is a worldwide emergency, not least an American one.
When venerated right wing and/or centrist outlets such as Business Insider, CNN and New York Times keep calling fascism conservatism, they not only ignore the crisis and thus the need to adress it, they severely hinder anyone calling it out from being taken seriously, much less doinh anything to fight it.
I think it is also fair to call them regressives since they are more interested in returning us to an earlier configuration of society than simply maintaining the status quo.
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I’m sure republicans love that since it is their goal to replace them.
They won’t. They don’t want universities, because that implies more education.
What I suspect will probably happen is the universities will shrink or close, and/or lose their accreditation, further increasing their brain drain.
So any way you slice it, this is not a loss for Republicans, they’re getting precisely what they want here. Unintended consequences? Probably, but they’re too blinded by their belief in their own superiority to be able to imagine any.
It just means that science communicators on the internet are becoming vitally important, so the young can still access quality information.
It might be a double edged sword, but unless Republicans can stem the flow of information on the internet (and they have and are trying different ways to do that), this is a battle that they have no chance of winning.
It just means that science communicators on the internet are becoming vitally important, so the young can still access quality information.
That’ll only work until the Internet is drowned out by fake AI bot science videos and blogs, stressing certain narratives.
YouTube is already today fighting those videos, AI generated trash science stuff.
It’s happening now, today. That’s why I always rage against shills and bots, because it really will mean the death of communication for Humanity if it goes to its logical conclusion. And when Humanity doesn’t communicate, War is not far behind.
can stem the flow of information on the internet (and they have and are trying different ways to do that), this is a battle that they have no chance of winning.
If you pollute the virtual ‘Town Square’ badly enough, those who want communication to not happen will win.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it’s good to remember that the “public square” is vast. Poisoning it isn’t going to be as simple as poisoning 4chan.
Also, on the topic of AI, what if their information-gathering improves over time, too? Sure, there will be bad versions, but there are already bad human actors, and we’ve mostly learned how to identify and fact check them.
I think your scenario is certainly reasonable, but I don’t think it’s the only option, either. Plus, I’ve already seen people saying things like, “That sounds like an AI wrote it.” Current and future generations may simply learn to detect AI and take any claims skeptically.
Either way, hard to say what the future holds with any real accuracy.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it’s good to remember that the “public square” is vast.
Well there’s one Facebook, there’s one Twitter/X, there’s one Reddit (or two if you want to count Lemmy), etc. Not as vast as you might think.
Bots are very fast and inexpensive to use and can be done multiplicatively very easily.
I hope you’re right, but I don’t have your confidence in the future that you seem to do.
What I don’t understand is why no politician who’s against this has proposed an education act under the guise of national security.
What republicans are doing with education is very dangerous. Stupid voters are easy to manipulate, which seems to be the goal, but they have to do more than vote for the other 364 days a year. Having a poorly educated population means you have less engineers designing infrastructure, less trades people building that infrastructure, less doctors to treat injured and ill people, and less skilled professionals overall. The US is largely in the economic and geopolitical position that is in due to the manufacturing and research capacity we had after WW2. For decades, the US was where people went if they wanted to be at the bleeding edge of design/research, because we had very good higher education and the skilled manufacturing to bring those designs to life. Attacking education only hastens the decline of that legacy. A few decades like this means the US will no longer be able to make the advanced military equipment used to project power across the world, or US companies not being able to find people who can maintain, improve, and innovate on products without hiring foreign contractors. If Desantis’ attacks become a national thing, they’ll be putting the US on a fast track to rapid decline and economic collapse.
You’re right…but the core assumption is the Rs care about our place on the world stage. They don’t.
Part of the overall plan for the Rs is isolationism. They want to close the boarders and pull out of our trade agreements. Hell, I think Trump wants us out of NATO.
If we are alone over here on our big ass island, the people will be dumber, desperate, and much easier to brainwash.
The big picture is dystopian order for the US.
the brain drain is real. the ‘red’ states are getting dumber and dumber, and as a result, ‘redder’ and ‘redder’.
Is that true? That would imply the younger generations are getting dumber, and I’m not sure if that tracks. It might be correlative with the fact that younger generations are getting more and more info from Internet sources (Tiktok, YouTube, podcasts, etc.), however.
Talented and ambitious young people from such places leave
This is true to an extent, but it’s complicated. Money talks more than cultural vibes, and so to that end, there are plenty of smart and educated young people moving to southern states simply because of affordability. Texas in particular has been attracting a lot of tech workers who don’t want to deal with cost of living in San Francisco or NYC.
The top ten states by net migration are: Florida, Texas, North Carolina, Arizona, South Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, Idaho, Alabama, Oklahoma
While the bottom ten are: California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Ohio, Minnesota
Those bottom five also have the worst housing markets in the country, which probably isn’t a coincidence. Blue states have been torpedoing themselves in the foot by not building enough housing to meet demand and causing prices to explode way past any semblance of affordability. While this data relates to all people, not just young educated people, and is also influenced by things like conservative boomers wanting to join DeSantis in building the Christian Republic of Florida, the effect of housing costs can’t really be denied.
Blue states have been torpedoing themselves in the foot by not building enough housing to meet demand and causing prices to explode way past any semblance of affordability.
You’re not wrong, it is definitely a housing issue as well, but it’s also an infrastructure issue, it’s just the land and infrastructure can only handle so many citizens living there before it doesn’t work.
Ask anyone trying to drive to and from work in Los Angeles every day as an example of the freeway infrastructure how much it can handle.
Brain drain affects both the states that people are leaving from, and the states people are moving to.
The Red State Brain Drain continues. Professors leaving Florida. OB/GYN doctors leaving Texas.
Why would you want to work in a place that criminalizes your job?
right? crazy how many professors you see arrested on cnn every day.
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You write it like it’s already happening. It’s not. Stop the fake outrage.
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Yeah, communism happened in the past too. There are no professors being prosecuted and flogged in the streets of Florida. get over it.
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It’s not a bug, it’s a feature according to Republicans.
I get why they’re doing it,
But what exactly do they think is going to happen when those highly coveted positions get filled by people complacent or supportive of DeSantis’ agenda?The university system in Florida will get worse? Why should professors feel obligated to try to save Florida’s higher ed system?
I mean, to the professors themselves? Nothing. To the university system? Arguably, what the people of Florida want and deserve
It’s nice to say one would stay on principle and try and change things /fight back, but in reality, it’s a huge emotional and professional drain, especially on families. I’ve personally drawn a line at applying for positions in Florida
That said, I’ve got a number of friends who work as professors in Florida and they haven’t given any indication this affects them, or they’re even remotely interested in leaving. Professors have high mobility and move often, especially if they have a competing (better) offer. The turnover rate only increased by 2% in the last year, according to the article…
Arguably, what the people of Florida want and deserve
Try considering the polling places per capita of blue versus red counties and several other kinds of voter suppression before you go victim blaming millions of people.
