wait til you hear about bank accounts
They make their money by investing mine. In return, they provide me a safe place for my cash and financial services. Fair deal. I’m OK with that.
Having said that, fuck banks for private individuals. Go credit union, all the way. And while we’re at it, call your bank and tell them you don’t want overdraft protection. They have to turn off the NSF fees, and that’s not my opinion and it’s not negotiable. It’s law in the US.
Just found out about credit unions. Banks, but non-profit. How did I not think of this earlier!?
And now you learn about housing co-ops: Renting, but non-profit!
Yes! And Community Land Trusts. I don’t know what this political position is called but I totally support it. Perhaps ‘Fairtrade Capitalism?’
Bruh, this is literally Market Socialism.
While this might be correct, I disagree with this as a philosophy.
A) most people in this country don’t have cash reserves to pay an underpaid tax bill.
B) most people don’t have the investment acumen to properly invest monies not withheld on taxes to benefit from not paying as much on their income.
C) They just spend the money because most Americans live paycheck to paycheck, and because A and B.
So for most people I would say that judicious overpayment of tax on the W4 resulting in a minor or modest tax refund is probably better all-around. That money will go right back into the economy or pay off some debt.
It also shields you from human error, the IRS already knows what your taxable income is (assuming your employer correctly withholds it for you). Its much less stress to file with an error in your favor than in theirs. If you own them they will hunt you to the ends of the earth and make you resolve it, but if they owe you they just send you a check and call it a day.
You could have just estimated your income taxes ahead of time and saved enough to pay it before the due date, but why risk jailtime when there is automatic tax withholding available to you?
It’s worse when you’re operating a business and you have to pay quarterly estimated taxes.
Eh, you generally don’t get jail time for late payment. Tax agencies are more interested in getting the money than putting people in jail and people don’t make money to pay off what they owe when they’re in jail.
You get charged interest for late payment, but it’s at a very reasonable rate. The government can borrow money at better interest rate than is available to most people after all.
The big no-no is lying on your tax forms. That’s something they might put you in jail for. But even then they’re likely to prefer fines over jail time. Because they want that money.
People that go to jail are either Al Capone who the government just wants to get for anything, or people that continuously try to defraud the government on their tax forms. Sometimes it’s people who straight up refuse to pay their taxes, but even then they’ll try to garnish their wages to get the money. But if that mechanism isn’t available, then that can result in jail time.
>Visit a park for free
> Realize that you’re theoretically owing everyone in town roughly $0.01 for your “free” stay
Not really, that’s what I’m paying taxes for
Listen here, buddy, we can either suspend our beliefs the easy way or the hard way for the sake of this joke!
I’m still waiting on my 2021, and 2022 refunds
What type of wages? W2? 1099? Or self employed? Or something the regular person or even upper middle class wouldn’t even know about :)
Both, opposite side man, I’m broke. They’re giving way more money than I put in
My employer sells “stocks” to employees that don’t show anywhere and you can only sell them back to the company after two year. Exchange also isn’t immediate. Company chooses the date.
They really want people to buy those things and are heavily campaigning for it.
They also give a small amount of these stocks as bonuses to people that have performed well.
When I say to people that buying those “stocks” just gives the company free loan, they look at me weird.
Do these socks appreciate or pay a dividend?
Surely the list of countries/governments that don’t ever even bother to give their citizens a tax return is much longer than the ones that do.
In my country you just don’t overpay taxes.
What percentage of those are ones with competent tax-funded programs that actually provide value to their citizens? Cause in the US I don’t see shit
As an accountant I’ve listened to several colleagues talk for hours about dialing in their W-2’s, some even under withholding and making quarterly payments to make up the difference. Calculating exactly what they are saving and investing that into a seperate account.
Probably spending more in fees than they’re saving. Let alone the time invested. I’m perfectly fine with the government slowly accumulating 1% of my income extra over the course of a year and sending it back later personally.
$1,000 is a nice little windfall to get back in February or March.
$1,000 is a lot of money to suddenly have to come up with before April 15.
Not much different than having it in a chequing account except that I’m less likely to spend it on something stupid.
1 year GIC rates are pretty good (4-5%) but considering that 50% of people under 55 can’t afford a $1000 surprise expense it’s not really a question of getting a handful of dollars from interest that the government could have given you to invest.
See facts like this make me wonder if a Norway style sovereign wealth fund could be developed to close the gaps in people’s quality of life and what they’ve put into working.
It’s not like the US is short on natural resource wealth to invest as the principle, and put together with a restructured tax regime it could significantly reduce the net burden for most americans, and especially the most misfortuned americans.
The US is a net importer, though. It wouldn’t make sense.
I think that has more to do with the economics than the availablity in most cases
Being a net importer, means the US consumes more than it produces. It vaguely makes sense because it is still a growing county.
Norway’s oil fund protects the domestic economy from the negative consequences of being an oil exporting nation. Less kindly, you could call it currency manipulation. The US would be ill-advised to do like-wise, given its import surplus.
