In a YouTube video, a voice in English announces that China has researched and developed its own ultra-thin 1-nanometer chip – a staggering claim given that the chip isn’t expected in commercial devices for another decade.

“Recent news from China has sent ripples of excitement and astonishment across the globe,” gushes the voice-over on the China Charged YouTube channel. “This revolutionary breakthrough is more than a technological marvel; it is a game-changer that will redefine the global tech landscape.”

“Prepare to have your mind blown,” says another video, this time on the channel Unbelievable Projects. “Welcome to today’s video, in which we’ll discover why America remains behind China in infrastructure development.”

These voices and their “good news” about China are evidence that the Chinese Communist Party and its overseas proxies are using artificial intelligence to flood YouTube with propaganda videos, according to a new report that describes a “coordinated inauthentic influence campaign” on the platform.

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      Administration? Lemmy was built by a guy that denies tiananmen square massacre.

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        Before you get downvoted by the tankies, note for historical accuracy (so that I will be downvoted because they like that even less, OTOH lemmygrad doesn’t even see me so w/e): The massacres were in side streets, not on the square itself. The party was at first split as to how to deal with the protests, the students were to simplify quite a bit Dengists alarmed by the power shifts within the party away from Dengism following Hu Yaobang’s death. Hardline faction was amassing the army outside of Peking, Peking locals went out there and handed them noodles and explanations as to the situation, explaining that the protesters were their sons and daughters, good socialists1, not some bourgeois anti-revolutionary mob. Dengist faction lost out in the internal party struggle, hardliners decided that the army shall march, army marched, Peking locals erected barricades etc. in the streets leading to the square, get massacred, army arrives at square, delivers final ultimatum, students retreat, with no further or at least minimal bloodshed.


        1 According to Marxist-Leninist-Maoist type thought. People understanding actual theory understand that Dengists are even more capitalist than Lenin, but MLs never acknowledge that state capitalism is, indeed, capitalism, and Dengists never acknowledge that they’re not even doing state capitalism any more but run of the mill oligarchic capitalism.

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          Lemmy.ml is run by ML. Marxist-LENINIST. They will not allow almost any critique of any government that falls under that umbrella ever. But will gladly hypocritically criticize any western power for the same thing.

          If it was wrong for the US Britain and the west to do it. It’s wrong for China, North Korea today or the Soviet Union in their time to have done it as well. Not a free pass for them to do it. When it comes to anything criticizing their political ideologies you may as well be on something like lemmy.conservative in many ways.

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        honestly they just expect more evidence

        I think they’re not moderated by Americans so their standard for what’s “acceptable” is less “what’s politically-aligned” but “what’s backed by the available evidence”

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        I mentioned EVs aren’t the savior that people are pitching because they still require plastics and rare earth metals and often are fueled by electricity made with coal/oil.

        They got so fucking mad lol

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          That has more to do with you regurgitating misinformation, than it does with the Chinese.

          Those arguments have been debunked ad nauseam.

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            It literally isn’t misinformation though? EVs are still polluting. There is no world with cars and buildings without pollution my guy especially now where we are at with technology.

            Nothing has been debunked?

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                This debate is clearly one of different goalposts.

                Electric car fans will fairly notice that electric cars are less bad than traditional ICE cars, and therefore the technology is good

                Anti-car folks will also rightfully point out that there’s too much focus on EVs at the time when we should move away from cars altogether, and that electric car future is also very unsustainable, just a little bit less, while giving the false impression of something “green”

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                    We should certainly establish the same definition of “green”, as it is so wide it encompasses both of our positions.

                    I claim that most people expect EVs to be the solution for eco-friendly transportation that is sustainable and future-proof. And this is not true. That’s what I meant.

                    It’s important to clear out why it is unrealistic in order to address it. I see two reasons: 1.Governments not doing enough to promote and build effective public transit 2.People not willing to lose comfort of driving their own car - something that insulates them from other people and allows to move anywhere anytime.

                    And both are solvable through policy changes. First, we desperately need to invest in public transit. We can get money by taxing car sales more, which will shift both sides of the equation by making cars less affordable, while at the same time freeing up money for public transit development (of course, less sales of cars should be factored in). We need more routes, more comfortable conditions for passengers, more relatively low-scale options to drive passengers to less popular destinations. We also need to subsidize taxi and car rentals for cases when someone actually needs a car.

                    But those are the solutions that might get negative reaction of the public at first, and this tension is to me the most problematic (of course after lobbying made by automakers). Populist leaders will never go for that step, or they risk losing their popularity and influence.

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                Lmfao no I get the point you literally named what I’m saying and gloss over it and this is why this situation we are under is inevitable

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              For the energy source aspect, it’s much more efficient to have a single big place to generate electricity compared to having millions of portable combustion engines running around inside cars. It’s also easier to switch to a cleaner energy if a wind farm or a solar power plant if you’re a state or some entity that’s responsible for energy generation in your region.

              TBH my biggest pet peeve on an EV is basically every EV is a privacy sucking machine. They record everything and send everything home. Give me a car like my old car that doesn’t have any telemetry and the technology is simple enough I can even push start the car when the alternator is fully dead.

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                While it is true that a centralized energy source is more efficient and clean it still isn’t enough. Even if every car was replaced by an EV it wouldn’t solve our climate crisis. The only thing it would save is the automobile industry.

                Here’s so info

                And more

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                  Nobody, and I do literally mean nobody, has ever said that BEVs would single-handedly solve climate change.

                  Congratulations on knocking down the strawman you have created.

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                    But they are being marketed as a very sustainable and ecologically friendly method of transportation which they very much are not. There’s no straw man there I just used a hypothetical to accentuate the meaninglessness of “more sustainable” forms of overconsumption. Cars are an incredibly wasteful and absurd form of daily transportation; especially in mass. The fight against climate change will directly affect your life and you will have to change aspects of your life for the benefit of the world as a whole. We cannot continue our path of overconsumption and overproduction and expect it to just work out or become sustainable in the future somehow. If the solution is being sold it isn’t the solution

                    Obviously, I’m aware that no one believes EVs will single handedly solve climate change. I’m not stupid and I don’t think you are either

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                    You’ve just knocked down strawman yourself.

                    The point made by commenter is not that cars are the only source of climate change, but that EV industry is in itself heavily polluting and unsustainable. While it is true that it is a little less heavy on the environment than an ICE car (assuming you drive it regularly, because building an EV is less environmentally friendly, actually), it is still an incredibly environmentally unfriendly solution.

                    Manufacturing is super polluting and expends very limited resources in huge quantities. Energy sources are normally NOT green, and even if they are, they are not harmless, too. Tyres are still a giant problem. Parking lots require a lot of urban spaces, which leads to stretching cities and exacerbating problems with all transportation, as well as leading to deforestation on the outskirts and ramped up asphalt production. More roads are required, meaning again, more intervention in natural ecosystems, extreme amounts of resources and pollution.

                    There is simply no way you can drive a 2-ton car to move ~70kg human around with it making any ecological sense, while many people pretend that EV’s are here to save us. No, sorry, they are not; you’ll have to change your habits if you want to keep Earth habitable. Period.

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            These are not conservative talking points that’s so disingenuous dude.

            EVs require metals that aren’t really too great to mine for our planet, most of the time that mining requires the use of diesel despite what we wanna believe.

            I’m all for green energy and better awareness of our species pollution but you’re basically being duped by Elon Musk wannabes promising the future that will turn out just like everything Elon does, absolutely trash and we’re gonna wonder why we wasted time with half of this shit.

            The real solution is cars gotta go, public transit needs to be the only transit and parking lots and roads gotta go but the car industry and the infrastructure we invested in is too worth it so we will follow the sunk cost off the cliff and people like you will support it because its slightly better than it used to be even though it is still bad.

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          Next can you talk about the problem with renewables? Just to come full circle

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            That’s quite the conclusion jump. You can be critical of EVs from a leftist perspective even if so much EV hate is from conservatives.

            EVs are an improvement from petrol powered vehicles but they are not in any way good. There is still plenty of pollution from the construction of the vehicle, the transport of materials, the atomized rubber from the tires, and the pollution from it’s energy source (even if it’s less total greenhouse gas emissions as opposed to a petrol based vehicle). EVs will not save the climate even if every car was replaced.

            Here’s more info

            And some more

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            Nothing is wrong with renewables but you’ve definitely also read about greenwashing right?

            It is basically that. For what people are proposing we need to change the entire economic system away from capitalism and this endless green line go up logic. Until then everything will continue to be this way no matter how we dress it.

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              Yeah, don’t try to make anything better. It’s a waste of time unless you’re trying to overhaul the entire economic system.

              What a smooth-brained take.

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                The point is that the rise of electic cars slows down the kinds of fundamental shifts and, most importantly, policy changes we need in order to actually get sustainable.

                While it can be seen as an improvement, at the end of the day we end up not taking measures we absolutely should. Everyone is just advertising EV’s as a solution, which they are not. At best, it’s a transient stage before people can finally accept they cannot drive a car in an environmentally friendly way, ever.

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          Lemmy.ml got mad about EV hate?? I generally see pretty well informed pro urbanism/public transport takes on there so I’m surprised. Maybe I’m just more used to hexbear

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      Weird, as social leaning instance, they should be opposed to modern China! Should we help them?

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      Got banned from there today for suggesting that disappearing prisoners isn’t the status quo in “the west”.

      Oddly enough I’ve been downvote-stalked since and I find it hilarious.