Respectfully, Wikipedia is fully a propaganda arm of the state(s) and security apparatus at this point. If you can verify the information yourself, then great. But I suggest you don’t take anything from them as fact on its face.
There is plenty of discussion around this you can find online if you look, but Larry Sanger, one of the original co-founders himself says this. Here is a first-to-hand listen on the topic. There are more out their if you don’t like Glenn.
System Update with Glenn Greenwald: Wikipedia: From Democratized Knowledge to Left-Establishment Propaganda, w/ co-Founder Larry Sanger. Plus: Joe Rogan on FBI in Jan 6 | SYSTEM UPDATE #121
Next, as I stated below to tusker, there is also ample data and discussion about the data surrounding the mRNA shots if you want to hunt for not yet censored sources. Again, here are just a few close to hand, but don’t stop there if you’re interested.
I watched the vigilantfox video, but I don’t understand the refutation to correlation/causation. Maybe you understand his point more to elaborate? Looked for some other information on the topic and found a Reuters article which seems to be very unbiased from my short research on reddit and other platforms.
Trying to understand all of this from the perspective of someone who thinks that the elites and governments are out to get them but I just personally don’t believe that to be true.
They are not out to get anyone. They are levels of intelligence and sophistication above the general population so they use their position to extract value.
Just as a farmer puts a ring through a bull’s nose the ruling class runs campaigns to limit the intelligence and lifespan of the masses they aim to control. Injecting toxins under the guise of disease prevention is the perfect way to accomplish this.
I agree. There is a power dynamic at work, but it manifests in different expressions. Some to extract wealth and some to gain compliance, but at it’s core human nature and greed and desire for control are fairly base and predictable. The incentives are all there for most of us. Just don’t expect compassion or morality from socoiopaths and psychopaths.
I am fine with you holding whichever beliefs you wish, even if I think they are naïve. Please just don’t support policy that harms my life and livelihood based on those disagreements or differences of opinion. I will agree to do the same, as this is already how I behave toward those I do not share common interests or beliefs with. If you wish to wear masks and lock yourself in your home and take 10 booster shots, and let all of your tax dollars be utilized to do this, not only to crush small business in the process, but also enrich the pharmaceutical companies and the Amazon style monopolies and beurocrats at all of our collective amd individual expense that is perfectly fine with me, and I support your freedom to do so and choose all of that. The wealth and power transfer alone from the bottom classes to the top few tenths of a % was astounding.
If you force me to do all that above, or support others to force me to do it by proxy? Then we have a serious issue and this tolerance and mutual respect and kindness goes out the window, because that is a direct attack on my liberty and autonomy and free will to run my own life and accept the consequences.
During the pandemic, life was made hell for those who disagreed with goverent policy. Individual liberty was absolutely crushed.
I have done hundreds and hundreds of hours reading listening, watching and thinking on much if this from many sources because the past few years were some of the worst for individual liberties in our lives. I don’t expect to bring you along to my perspective with 3 links, and that’s okay. The fox video is one of many. Listen to more of Edward Dowd elsewhere. Or look at insurance and actuarial data. Or all cause mortality spikes before and after covid, then before and after the vaccine rollout. There are hundreds of threads to pull and lots to learn if only you wish to. Look deep, not at just the bought-and-paid for corporate press propagandists.
Anyway, I don’t have to persuade everyone. I just implore you to keep your mind open and consider that you may be incorrect, have been severely misled, motivated by fear and propagandized. I am open to that possibility for myself, but obviously hold strong convictions based on my experiences and what knowledge I think I’ve acquired.
Again, regardless of your ultimate take-aways, please consider what actions you support against others despite your disagreements as I believe I stated fairly clearly above.
edits: spelling, grammar, clarity, fat fingers on mobile
“…found a Reuters article which seems to be very unbiased”
I apologize, but if you think Reuters is unbiased, I am not sure what to tell you. We may simply disagree of have been exposed to different sets of information over the course of at least the past couple decades or so.
As for fact-checking in general, from Reuters or any of the other self-appointed arbiters of truth and censorship, check out Matt Taibbi, or things like the Twitter Files, or CTIL files, or any of a host of other exposes on exactly what fact checks like the Reuters one you linked are all about. The ‘truths’ we may all be clinging to as presented by the legacy press are not self-evident or honest, and psyops are absolutely in effect. Many security state (ex feds, acronym gov agencies, et al) have a revolving door between legacy media and social media companies and legitimately pay, blackmail and bully them to promote the content their state-backec and corporate-backed interests desire, and demote or censor the content it does not. Again, see Taibbi, Shellenberger, Gutentag, Greenwald, or any of a host of other outlets for proof of this, with receipts if you like. Or not.
Again, do as you will, and believe as you will, just leave me and mine out of it please.
“I watched the vigilantfox video, but I don’t understand the refutation to correlation/causation.”
I haven’t listened to that one in a while. One drop in annocean of info. So let me see if I can find some time to do so and get back with you.
Alternatively, you could reach out to Mr. Dowd and ask him to clarify. Or read and consume more of his work to see if he does so more satisfactorily for you elsewhere. He has done many interviews and released a lot of data. He’s an intelligent man who wagers large sums of money on this stuff for a living and has been quite successful in predictive markets.
Respectfully, Wikipedia is fully a propaganda arm of the state(s) and security apparatus at this point. If you can verify the information yourself, then great. But I suggest you don’t take anything from them as fact on its face.
There is plenty of discussion around this you can find online if you look, but Larry Sanger, one of the original co-founders himself says this. Here is a first-to-hand listen on the topic. There are more out their if you don’t like Glenn.
System Update with Glenn Greenwald: Wikipedia: From Democratized Knowledge to Left-Establishment Propaganda, w/ co-Founder Larry Sanger. Plus: Joe Rogan on FBI in Jan 6 | SYSTEM UPDATE #121
Episode webpage: https://rumble.com/v33nemd-system-update-121.html
Media file: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/RUMBLE7887467136.mp3?updated=1690860058
Next, as I stated below to tusker, there is also ample data and discussion about the data surrounding the mRNA shots if you want to hunt for not yet censored sources. Again, here are just a few close to hand, but don’t stop there if you’re interested.
https://kirschsubstack.com/
https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/edward-dowd-presents-irrefutable
https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/
I watched the vigilantfox video, but I don’t understand the refutation to correlation/causation. Maybe you understand his point more to elaborate? Looked for some other information on the topic and found a Reuters article which seems to be very unbiased from my short research on reddit and other platforms.
Trying to understand all of this from the perspective of someone who thinks that the elites and governments are out to get them but I just personally don’t believe that to be true.
They are not out to get anyone. They are levels of intelligence and sophistication above the general population so they use their position to extract value.
Just as a farmer puts a ring through a bull’s nose the ruling class runs campaigns to limit the intelligence and lifespan of the masses they aim to control. Injecting toxins under the guise of disease prevention is the perfect way to accomplish this.
I agree. There is a power dynamic at work, but it manifests in different expressions. Some to extract wealth and some to gain compliance, but at it’s core human nature and greed and desire for control are fairly base and predictable. The incentives are all there for most of us. Just don’t expect compassion or morality from socoiopaths and psychopaths.
I am fine with you holding whichever beliefs you wish, even if I think they are naïve. Please just don’t support policy that harms my life and livelihood based on those disagreements or differences of opinion. I will agree to do the same, as this is already how I behave toward those I do not share common interests or beliefs with. If you wish to wear masks and lock yourself in your home and take 10 booster shots, and let all of your tax dollars be utilized to do this, not only to crush small business in the process, but also enrich the pharmaceutical companies and the Amazon style monopolies and beurocrats at all of our collective amd individual expense that is perfectly fine with me, and I support your freedom to do so and choose all of that. The wealth and power transfer alone from the bottom classes to the top few tenths of a % was astounding.
If you force me to do all that above, or support others to force me to do it by proxy? Then we have a serious issue and this tolerance and mutual respect and kindness goes out the window, because that is a direct attack on my liberty and autonomy and free will to run my own life and accept the consequences.
During the pandemic, life was made hell for those who disagreed with goverent policy. Individual liberty was absolutely crushed.
I have done hundreds and hundreds of hours reading listening, watching and thinking on much if this from many sources because the past few years were some of the worst for individual liberties in our lives. I don’t expect to bring you along to my perspective with 3 links, and that’s okay. The fox video is one of many. Listen to more of Edward Dowd elsewhere. Or look at insurance and actuarial data. Or all cause mortality spikes before and after covid, then before and after the vaccine rollout. There are hundreds of threads to pull and lots to learn if only you wish to. Look deep, not at just the bought-and-paid for corporate press propagandists.
Anyway, I don’t have to persuade everyone. I just implore you to keep your mind open and consider that you may be incorrect, have been severely misled, motivated by fear and propagandized. I am open to that possibility for myself, but obviously hold strong convictions based on my experiences and what knowledge I think I’ve acquired.
Again, regardless of your ultimate take-aways, please consider what actions you support against others despite your disagreements as I believe I stated fairly clearly above.
edits: spelling, grammar, clarity, fat fingers on mobile
“…found a Reuters article which seems to be very unbiased”
I apologize, but if you think Reuters is unbiased, I am not sure what to tell you. We may simply disagree of have been exposed to different sets of information over the course of at least the past couple decades or so.
Just one small bit of info directly related specifically to the Reuters Dowd fact check: https://nitter.net/MichaelAMoyer/status/1626419515692138499#m
As for fact-checking in general, from Reuters or any of the other self-appointed arbiters of truth and censorship, check out Matt Taibbi, or things like the Twitter Files, or CTIL files, or any of a host of other exposes on exactly what fact checks like the Reuters one you linked are all about. The ‘truths’ we may all be clinging to as presented by the legacy press are not self-evident or honest, and psyops are absolutely in effect. Many security state (ex feds, acronym gov agencies, et al) have a revolving door between legacy media and social media companies and legitimately pay, blackmail and bully them to promote the content their state-backec and corporate-backed interests desire, and demote or censor the content it does not. Again, see Taibbi, Shellenberger, Gutentag, Greenwald, or any of a host of other outlets for proof of this, with receipts if you like. Or not.
Again, do as you will, and believe as you will, just leave me and mine out of it please.
I haven’t listened to that one in a while. One drop in annocean of info. So let me see if I can find some time to do so and get back with you.
Alternatively, you could reach out to Mr. Dowd and ask him to clarify. Or read and consume more of his work to see if he does so more satisfactorily for you elsewhere. He has done many interviews and released a lot of data. He’s an intelligent man who wagers large sums of money on this stuff for a living and has been quite successful in predictive markets.