This is part of growing up maybe

I try not to be sarcastic

So is it ultimately down to electromagnetic attraction on the microscopic scale?

I’ve always wondered this too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Male_Renunciation

That one sounds nice and makes me feel nice: https://vhoor.bandcamp.com/album/baile

They discuss class struggle, which is marxist

Their emphasis on ‘institutions’ is anti-marxist

They seem to think the goal is liberal democracy, and that social democracy is necessary to prevent communist revolution from disrupting that goal

Could easily find out with a blinded rating test.

“Personal responsibility” has nothing to do with politics tho.

I’m all for personal responsibility for myself or.anyone else. But politicians in the public forum should be governing public resources/systems.

Initially read that as “Lemmy, Marx, and signal”.

My brain on Hexbear

Discord needs a phone number to sign up doesn’t it? Completely unacceptaballs.

That was an enjoyable read thanks.

Look, can’t we agree that neither country gives a shit about the working class?

I have almost the exact opposite take on China.

Shit government, surveil people, torture people, no internet-freedom.

Their huge massive redeeming feature os that they REALLY give a shit about their working class.

The top one is taken from a website called vividmaps where it’s countries the USA has had some sort of conflict with

List of wars being involved in is not a list of countries being invaded and occupied, nice try though.

The bottom map is just a white map.

Garbage meme 1/5

and with the USSR

One 😂😂😂 bit is the way it even uses a purer shade of white for China.

See? You could have said that instead of posting falsified maps

honestly the map is too unserious to merit discussion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_People's_Republic_of_China

There’s complexity to the question:

How do we define mediæval? (I low-key hate the words mediæval and Middle Ages, partly because of Eurocentrism). There’s no such thing as a “mediæval peasant” really, there were various people at various times. Let me ask: how many days a year does a proletarian work? How long is a piece of string? Now if you look at the historical debate that spawned this meme, they’re actually talking about England 1200-1600.

Are we talking about necessary labour (subsistence farming), surplus labour (for the lord), or both? There is employment for the lord, but then you’ve got to mend your tools, thatch your roof, gather and chop your firewood, grow your own household’s food, etc.

It seems the 150 day claim comes from Gregory Clark’s 1986 paper ‘Impatience, Poverty, and Open Field Agriculture’. And from Juliet Schor’s book, but I think Clark may be her source.

If you look at Gregory Clark’s 2017 paper with DOI 10.111/ehr.12528 it seems he has changed his mind. So is the “150 days” claim based on an obsolete paper from 1986? Bottom of page 17/top of page 18 he says it’s clear people worked 300 days in 1860 because record keeping is good then, but there was an increase TO 300 in the years 1650-1800. Figure 6 does show some very low numbers in the years 1200-1600 (which is presumably what the meme is talking about) taken from ‘British Economic Growth, 1270-1870’ by Stephen Broadberry et al.

This is the best source: Jane Humphries and Jacob Weisdorf’s paper ‘Unreal Wages? Real Income and Economic Growth in England’ gives similar conclusions to Broadberry, especiall in Figure 4, i.e. around 200 days 1250-1300, very low (around 100) 1300 to 1500, and rising to approach 365 days a year around 1850. The paper says “Overall, the working year agrees reasonably well with the trend in the independent estimates found in the literature” and then cites 5 papers. Note that the calculation is based on wages, so we are talking about the number of wage-paying days; they would have subsistence farmed on top of that.

It’s conceivable that Marx’s era may have been the single least chill time in all human history: worse than hunter-gatherers, peasants, or modern social democracy.

My computer’s overheating, might edit this comment later.

• https://www.jstor.org/stable/2589850

• https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html

• Kenyon, Nora. “Labour Conditions in Essex in the Reign of Richard II,” Economic History Review, April 1934. https://doi.org/10.2307/2589850

Generally, across all historical periods, I’ve rarely seen estimates of anyone working less than 1300 or more than 2300 hours a year.