No, I wouldn’t, explicitly because of the nuanced differences between leftist ideology and the right-wing, neoliberalist establishment that make them fundamentally oppositional. Their interests as owning class citizens means they have fundamentally vested interests that are diametrically oppositional to our interests as working class, and will never truly change beyond offering mild concessions to prevent systemic collapse. If we want left wing progress, it won’t be from within the current party. We need a fundamentally new party that actually holds the interests of the working class at priority.

Though, personally, as an anarchist, I do not believe change will come from within the system. It is structurally designed to force internal actors to capitulate to the interests of the economy, essentially tying their interests to the strength of the capitalist economy as a means to strengthen or maintain their own political power once in a seat if authority. Thus, will never be allowed through internal means to exert the will of the working class.

That isn’t to say we shouldn’t build dual power to protect our interests, just that our focus should be at local and state level, not the federal. It doesn’t matter what the federal agency does or says, they still have to be able to enforce their rule. If the local communities are banded together so that when push comes to shove, we can actually do some shoving of our own, they won’t be able to enforce their authority over us.

I more meant the ideology and the politicians of it, not the voter base.

You are correct though.

You, comrade, are a saint.

Libs are by definition capitalists, no need for redundancy.

Free to assume what you want. Not my fault your logic is simplistic and myopic.

Funny of you to assume leftists want the neoliberal, capitalist establishment to win.

Maybe if they actually began to support left wing policy and ideology, instead of routinely throwing us under the bus to save the skin of those who exploit us, leftist would be willing to vote for them.

Also, FYI, there are more than just Democrats and Republicans to vote for. Saying people shouldn’t vote for Democrats isn’t the same thing as advocating against voting at all.

Failed to form a united Left because of right-wing liberal dipshits parading as leftists, sowing division, and playing controlled opposition for the rising fascist regime.

Gee why does that sound familiar?

The fuck are you talking about? They did show up for Gore. He won the popular vote. The only reason Bush won was due to the electoral college flipping the vote. Gore’s election was stolen from him.

Democrats have not been moving left. They have consistently been moving further and further right since post-WW2 and McCarthyism completely demolished any legitimate left wing politics in this country. Meanwhile the voting population became more and more disenfranchised by the fucked up system we live under.

Except the person they were responding to phrased the situation poorly by leaving out important context.

In reality, the Democrats lost because they kept expecting leftists to vote against their working class interests in favor of right wing, pro corporate policies that only serve to maintain the capitalist system. You know, the very thing we are fundamentally against?

Maybe if the Democrats actually made strides for legitimate left wing policies, they would encourage more left wing individuals to throw their hat in with them.

Yet, time and time again, they have shown to throw the working class under the bus if it serves the whims of the capitalist market. Now, no one trusts them to uphold our interests when push comes to shove.

Yes. That’s how electoralist politics work. The power as a voter lies in the ability to withhold their vote or to vote for someone else. The moment your vote is being forced into compliance, you have thus lost all your political power under that system.

It’s kinda one of the major flaws of an electoralist system.

Congratulations for reaching the point.

The amount of simping for electoralist politics in an anarchist sub is truly depressing.

If you think the Democratic party in any way, shape, or form supports leftist (especially anarchist) ideology, then you are so politically illiterate that it isn’t even a joke. It’s just sad.

Oh look, blatant historical ignorance to the reasons that led to a failed state. Of course it was intrinsic to the philosophy, absolutely not due to outside interference and manipulation from decades of concentrated effort by the capitalist hegemony.

Look, the state itself as a concept has its issues, but your perspective of the situation is just flat bullshit.

There is this wild concept called “two things existing at once”

You can simultaneously blame the fascist for their actions while also holding the liberal establishment accountable for theirs. The two are not mutually exclusive.

It’s all liberals know how to do. Cannot for the life of them take responsibility. Blame the left for their failure while using the right as a boogeyman to force compliance.