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    2 days ago

    I doubt 7news will show time and places. Any link for that?

    Fuck this cunt and all his supporters and their sob stories of fake victims.

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      I doubt 7news will show time and places. Any link for that?

      The Green Left website has filterable listings where you can often find activist events like this: https://www.greenleft.org.au/events?start_date=2026-02-09&search=

      Their listings for this nationwide protest are currently incomplete, though, with listings for only 4 of 9 announced cities: Sydney, Canberra, Adelaide, Perth. The national poster also lists Melbourne, Brisbane, Hobart, Cairns and Townsville.

      So if you’re not in one of the cities with a listing already, you’ll need to find your local event/group yourself and check their channels, or I suppose wait for a listing to go up on Green Left.

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        I thought it would be soon. Shouldn’t it be before he arrives?

        Either way I might go to Brisbane on the day then. 3 hours from here but still…

        I wish there was something practical I can do other than just leaving the country. Seeing how much Australia like to suck Israeli and American dicks make my blood boil… Living here I’m part of the problem. One of the supporters. One of American and Israelis dogs…

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          Living here I’m part of the problem. One of the supporters. One of American and Israelis dogs…

          It’s the classic dilemma: Leave to avoid being part of the problem, or stick around to fight the problem. It’s something I keep thinking about.

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            To me both work and both won’t work. It’s just up to what you can deal with or clears your conscience.

            If enough people left because of this, the problem would be solved, the dog would lose its teeth. If enough people fought the problem, the problem would also be solved.

            The reality is; a ridiculous amount of the population will even consider they should be doing something. Not only they won’t, but they will fuel the war machine, vote the vilains to power again and again, buy whatever propaganda they are sold that makes them feel without guilt and still enjoy a first world life built on the exploitation of weaker countries.

            Even here, with more informed people we get people posting constant brainwash about scape goats (chinese, immigration, whatever bullshit they watch on tv).

            If enough people cared the problem wouldn’t even exist to begin with. How powerful is the military, big companies, etc, without slaves to serve them?

            So, it’s whatever makes you feel better. To me right now is trying to make sure I’m not helping the problem to get worse. I don’t care if everyone else is evil and happier because of that. I can’t convince anyone to change, so I just want to reduce my own guilt.

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          Shouldn’t it be before he arrives?

          There are also protests before he arrives, demanding his invitation be cancelled, that have been announced in Melbourne and Sydney.

          But announcing big protests for when Herzog arrives is intended in part to incentivise the government to cancel the visit, though I don’t think they’ll be dissuaded.

          I wish there was something practical I can do other than just leaving the country.

          There’s advocacy and activist groups who would love any help you can give, including donations.

          Living here I’m part of the problem.

          You can look at it the opposite way. That our government and industries are contributing to the problem means that we are capable of making a difference through our activism in this country.

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            Who should I donate to? I sent you a private message ages ago about that. That’s the biggest thing I can do, where my money goes to.

            I don’t want to do activism anymore. I did a lot before and that just affected me. I’m old enough to know that nothing will ever change, it never did. Things just change hands some times.

            I’ve seen so many israeli and american invasions in my life. Each one of them made me think “this is it, the world won’t accept this one”. And in return we get more movies where the hero saves the world from the terrorists and the tickets sale grows new records again and again. And if you talk to any australian, they will tell you about those chinese, spying on you, killing everyone, they are going to invade next week and eat your dog! Or is it the comunists? The terrorists? The antichrist?

            I admire those who still have hope, but I don’t. I just don’t want to be part of the problem. And right now, living here, I am. If the next bondi incident have me as one of the killed, I wouldn’t find it unfair. But right now I can’t leave, and although I try I can’t ignore this shit I’m involved. So if I go to any protest or anything it’s because I feel kind of forced. It won’t change anything, I am still guilty like most australians, but it makes me pretend I’m doing something about it. I don’t know…

            Edit: I mean, do you remember Snowden? What activism can be bigger than someone giving clear proof to the whole world that the US is spying on everyone? I was in Brazil back then, there were leaked conversations of the president. I though that for sure the brazilian government, all those governments would do something about it. And nothing. And that’s just one of many examples.

            If something like that and the others can’t fix anything, no amount of activism will. Not in a meaningful way. I doubt any murder was prevented.

            And even some concrete action, like what the palestinians did that trying to counter attack, resulted in Gaza being completely destroyed. Or the actions of the Palestine group in UK, where now they will die of hunger in jail. And new laws are being in place there and here in response to show who’s really in power.

            Sorry for the long post. I’m just screaming at the clouds. This stuff frustrates me a lot.

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              Who should I donate to? I sent you a private message ages ago about that.

              Sorry! Either I totally missed that, or wanted to have a think about it and forgot to get back to you, like I almost did with this one, haha

              Political/Protest/Advocacy

              If you’re looking for where to donate to help create political change, APAN is the peak body for Palestine advocacy in Australia. They do direct lobbying of politicians, media, advertising campaigns, free poster designs, etc. You can make a one-off donation, or set up a monthly donation (or become a paying member): https://apan.org.au/

              Unfortunately, donations to APAN are not tax deductible. It’d be nice if they were, because then a) you can afford to donate more because you’ll get some back on your tax return, and b) you can take some satisfaction in reducing the amount of tax you pay that our government uses to buy things from weapons manufacturers. Unfortunately, I think most groups that come under political lobbying and advocacy - at least for Palestine solely - aren’t going to be ‘Deductible Gift Recipients’ (DGRs).

              Palestine Justice Movement Sydney is another political group (but also not a DGR): https://palestinejusticemovement.org.au/

              Free Palestine Printing give out free signs at protests, and they accept donations, so that’s a way you can help contribute to the protests even if you can’t get to them yourself. Again, they’re not a DGR, but they’re “100% volunteer-run and entirely not-for-profit”: https://freepalestineprinting.com/

              There’s obviously a bunch of local protest groups, you may find some that accept donations. Again, though, they won’t be DGRs (many won’t have any kind of formal structure at all).

              The Australian Centre for International Justice has done a lot of good work on Palestine-related issues (most recently demanding an investigation of Herzog), but they work on human rights generally. Because of their wider scope, they are an endorsed DGR: https://acij.org.au/

              Direct Aid

              There’s a whole lot of groups providing direct assistance to Palestinians. While we need to address the root causes of the problem through political change, I can also understand a lot of people prefer to focus on direct help to alleviate the suffering of Palestinian people right now. Most of these groups are endorsed DGRs.

              Palestinian Australian New Zealand Medical Association (PANZMA) provides medical aid, including medical missions, to Gaza: https://panzma.org/

              Palestine Children’s Relief Fund (PCRF) also provides medical aid to Palestine, with a focus on children: https://www.pcrf.net/australia

              Olive Kids provides support to programs for children in Palestine: https://olivekids.org.au/

              Union Aid Abroad (APHEDA) has a specific fund for their work in Gaza: https://palestinian-people-emergency-appeal.raiselysite.com/

              Palestine Australia Relief and Action (PARA) helps Palestinians get to Australia and get settled in: https://para.org.au/

              I don’t want to do activism anymore. I did a lot before and that just affected me.

              That’s fair enough, I get that it can be exhausting. Being around like-minded people does help me feel a bit more sane, though, when so many people are indifferent, or outright hostile, about the issue.

              I’m old enough to know that nothing will ever change, it never did. Things just change hands some times.

              We can’t win unless we fight, and sometimes it’s going to take a long time. I think there has been so much progress in public perception of Israel, though, in Australia and worldwide.

              This stuff frustrates me a lot.

              You and me both!

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                Oh, a big bonus if you know; entities I can donate or invest on that are outside of Australia, and obviously israel and the US, or any of the 5 eyes if possible.

                If my money stay on any of these countries, paying taxes and helping their economy, I’m just investing on murder anyway. If I don’t have a choice than so be it, but if I have I do everything I can to make sure my money doesn’t end on those hands.

                That’s why being here I’m part of the problem. I use money, and that money fuels the australian evil. If I could live here without using any money then I wouldn’t feel guilty.

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                I didn’t know who they are, but searching around it seems like the scum of Bondi don’t like them, so they must be good people https://www.southasiatimes.com.au/australia/jao48/

                It looks kind of dodgy though, since there’s no link to official media, and no specific description of what the money is for.

                Have you used that website? Is it generally trustworthy?

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            2 days ago

            I’m close to sunshine coast. But I’m not much of an activist anymore. It’s just the american/israeli/military masturbation that is really hard to ignore.

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                Instagram is blocked on my devices, so I can’t see the details. But from your description, I’m not sure why that’s important. It must be to some people, but not me.