This is obviously very upsetting. But I’d also like to know what y’all’s answers would be to the question on this meme. This is not something I advocate for I’m going to be transparent about that, I’ve just noticed things like this a lot on the internet and want to gain some perspective.
Nobody should be allowed to hit anybody without consent. And men shouldn’t be afraid of speaking up; abuse of men does happen.
That said, it’s not the primary direction in which abuse happens, so I’m not sure this is a healthy way to highlight the issue.
it’s not the primary direction in which physical abuse happens
FIFY. There’s plenty, maybe not complete parity but not that far off, of abuse going in this direction too, it just tends not to result in unaliving people when it escalated. I think it’s important to recognize it so that people feel comfortable to speak up.
No one should be hitting anyone. Damn. Your parents didn’t teach y’all not to hit?
The parents which hit us? 🤔
(That said, no physical attacks should be allowed without permission)
Domestic violence is intrinsically bad, and justice should be served to abusers. If a victim has a legitimate fear for their life and is physically unable to escape their abuser, violence in kind is morally justified. Whether the victim is male or female is irrelevant.
can we maybe not import the “equal rights, equal lefts” arguments from the dark half of reddit?
IMO there isn’t much to discuss about. Hit me, I hit you back. I don’t understand why I have an obligation to take care of an aggressor who hit me first. I’m not saying immediately kill the other person but it should be at least equal to what I had to take.
It doesn’t matter if it’s a man, woman or even another species.
One exception: The person has obvious reasons reasons like alcohol or substance abuse and is not able to think clearly what he/she is doing.
My parents teached me to not hit people in the first place. This is also a very good strategy to not get hit 😉
We all have a right to defend ourselves, but also an obligation to deescalate. It’s all contextual. Following black and white rules is not the way to operate in a complex world.
Memes like this serve to stoke anti-feminist sentiment among men. I don’t think we should post them, but it’s useful to discuss.
This! Asking “under what circumstances am I allowed to hit women” sounds like you’re itching for it.
If your only train of thought regarding domestic abuse is “ohh. Does that mean I can hit back now?” then you’re not a victim, you’re just a closeted abuser.
If your only answer to a public assault is fighting back you’re not concerned with solving the situation, you’re just spoiling for a fight.
Sure, there are situations where fighting back IS the only viable solution. But jumping to it immediately means we’re not talking about a hypothetical situation - we’re talking about a fantasy of yours.
None, nobody should hit anybody as it violates the NAP, “Dont hit people and dont take their stuff”. With that said if someone aggresses against you i feel that you are justified in defending yourself with the minimum amount of force required to end the aggression. If a woman hits a man the first thing should be to attempt to walk away. If that does not work and the man is physically capable of restraining this woman he should do so as restraining would be enough force to stop the hitting.
Oh man it didn’t take long for the reddit rage bait to arrive :D
If someone is being battered, they have the right to defend themself with appropriate / proportional force, regardless of the gender of the assailant.
However, that said, you can be in the right and still be arrested, and public opinion tends to side with the woman in cases where the situation is nebulous, so maybe factor that into your decision.
Hitting back is an escalation
