Hi all,

Moving away from USA solutions I also want a good European vpn. I contracted GOOSE because it’s from my country, but their servers are spotty on mobile and I regularly have connection issues on my Linux.

I want a stable VPN, streaming and P2P enabled, from a European provider. Who has good options? Must be Linux compatible either through an app or OpenVPN/WireGuard.

Is proton a good option?

      • paperBark@slrpnk.netEnglish
        52·
        22 days ago

        Protons support for linux for all their products is dogshit and thats how you know they don’t actually give a shit about privacy. If they are happy pushing their customers to stay on windows spyware then obviously they don’t really give a shit

        • dieTasse@feddit.orgEnglish
          11·
          21 days ago

          If you think that, you obviously do not understand Proton’s mission. I am a Linux user and I am a bit sour about their Linux support, but I chose them specifically knowing what I am getting into. They want the privacy to be available to as many people as possible. And you don’t do that with targeting mainly Linux users who are already very privacy conscious. If you want to spread some idea, you don’t go to a place where everybody already knows about it. And why do I use Proton then? Because its easy for my friends and family to use Proton. Its easier to show them the more private choices without compromise on their sides. And I am able to slowly push them further and further even beyond Proton.

          So if you made a wrong, uninformed decision, don’t take it out on Proton. That’s on you.

          • paperBark@slrpnk.netEnglish
            2·
            21 days ago

            Or I’m an informed consumer who tried proton’s offering (among many others, over MANY hours of testing OP’s exact use case), considered it critically, and came to the conclusion that: A) its not good for this use case B) there are too many red flags that they only care about privacy insofar as they can use it for marketing. Just cause you bought their marketing hook line and sinker doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m talking about and you can dismiss my point without backing up yours.

            We aren’t talking about your grandma and grandpa who you want to “ease the transition for” in this thread, they asked for a P2P FRIENDLY VPN FOR LINUX and everyone comes in and name drops Proton and Mullvad without any justification or thought.

            Proton’s mission is to make money, fullstop.

            • If you use windows over linux (or BSD): you do not care about your privacy. You can not have any form of privacy when your OS is spying on everything you do. Full stop. (Not hard to switch)
            • Proton’s entire ecosystem prioritises windows at this current time. Full stop.
            • therefore if you buy into proton’s ecosystem, lured in by the advertising of “privacy”, you are incentivized to remain on Windows, because the experience you are paying for is better there, while thinking you have privacy. (This continues into what I meant by the honeypot comment, meant as a light dig at proton not really relevant to the OPs question, but since you dismissed that as invalid as well… Luring people into more and more products under the guise of “privacy”, centralized under one company, who already supports an OS with backdoors, so its not outside the realm of possibility that they allow gov backdoors too if they are willing to compomise their privacy values for money)

            That’s why in my opinion, proton doesn’t give a shit about their users privacy. If they did, they would do everything they could to ease the transition for their users away from US government spyware Windows. But they don’t care, cause they rake in the money, they’ve said that’s why themselves. 🤷‍♂️

            But to the OP, if you wanna try proton on linux for P2P, be my guest, i’m done trying to help people in this thread.

            Edit: fixed formatting error… and again to clarify wording and add a relevant link just to drive home that linux/bsd doesn’t need to be scary techie stuff, its very mainstream, gaming pc compatible these days. Very low barrier to switch.

            Final Edit: added mullvad in para 2

            • dieTasse@feddit.orgEnglish
              1·
              20 days ago

              Why I recommend Proton is because it works well on Linux. Maybe the app is not as nice but it works well enough for me to recommend. But you are way too biased now to the point that you are claiming that proton is a honeypot. Anything you say after that means absolutely nothing.

              Even despite of that I have read your angry post and man:

              If you use windows over linux (or BSD): you do not care about your privacy.

              Or you have to use it at work. Or you have some critical application that you can not run on linux. Or you are not technical enough to switch to linux (believe it or not, many people never installed an OS, even if its dead simple, for some people its different world).

              Proton’s entire ecosystem prioritizes windows at this current time. Full stop.

              So what. You know how much money development costs. Proton is fully funded by their users/customers. If they focus on Linux they die.

              therefore if you buy into proton’s ecosystem, lured in by the advertising of “privacy”

              Privacy is privacy. If its e2e encrypted including most viable metadata its private. There are no quotes around that. Privacy is also a scale, not all or nothing. Because some people tell you the latter, you have then a feeling like there is no point. Your statements are essentially indirectly causing people not wanting to do even a smallest improvement in their privacy.

              you are incentivized to remain on Windows, because the experience you are paying for is better there, while thinking you have privacy

              If you are thinking about privacy to the point of leaving gmail and using protonmail or using vpn there is a chance that eventually you switch to linux. And even if not. You increased your privacy. Users that are on windows might never think about privacy if the first step would be as huge as OS change.

              honeypot

              You obviously do not know what honeypot means.

              That’s why in my opinion, proton doesn’t give a shit about their users privacy

              Well everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if its a wrong opinion based on their own bias.

              i’m done trying to help people in this thread

              Dismissing valid options is not helping.

    • paperBark@slrpnk.netEnglish
      43·
      22 days ago

      Airvpn is great. One of the last VPNs that doesn’t throttle traffic for P2P. Allows port forwarding.

      Proton is the most obvious honeypot I’ve ever seen