Nobody really cares about men besides a minority of men and an even smaller minority of women. The remainder only consider men in as much as it pertains to validating women. If you reduce women to being brood mares and play things for men it’s sexist but men being seen as nothing but wallets, sentries and sex toys for women is just fine.
I sometimes wonder why so many people consider negative effects of porn on relationships obvious while completely disregarding negative effects of romance fiction on relationships (among other things the concept of a soulmate you have to just find and then everything in the relationship is effortless afterwards).
The book bans are a war on romance fiction. I think I live in a state where it’s the most egregious though, so maybe this isn’t as wide spread yet as the porn bans.
I’d love to see what you’re basing that conclusion on. Most American women identify as feminist, which aims to liberate men as it does women from deeply entrenched gender norms. Less men identify as feminist, and one could argue some of that loss is because some men don’t value the liberation of women while still valuing the liberation of men. Admittedly, not all feminists are working towards liberation equally, but at its core it’s about self determination for everyone regardless of sex or gender. Most marriages in my social circle have the woman earning more than the man, and the men are not operating as “sentries” or “sex toys” in these relationships. Most do not need a male protector at this point and can certainly get sexual gratification solo or elsewhere if something happened. If you’re not American I can’t really speak about your country, and even in America lived experience can differ, but it seems reductionist to say nobody cares about men.
It seems like you have an interest in crypto, which is fine, but that community seems to self select for a certain type of person. It’s possible you’re just not in spaces where the majority of people behave the way the general population does.
I understand what you’re getting at, but it’s not super relevant to the conversation at hand. Some women voted Trump. Women as a whole did not. If we’re using voting Trump as a proxy for feminism/supporting men and womens liberation then the commenter would have to at least concede that women are more likely to support men’s liberation than men are. Also, if this is to be a discussion of white women as it relates to respecting men, if men believe that nonwhite women are most likely to respect then then I’d love to see more men embracing their representation and elevating nonwhite women. I don’t really see that. So it then goes back to why are men not supporting men? Why are men not elevating people that support men?
Many Americans identify as Christian while also openly chasing status and wealth. My point being, ideology does not always change or improve behavior. Most people who claim a particular dogma will not accept or even understand its core tenets. I dare say that most self identified feminists are not in it for the benefit of all.
I have had conversations with such women, listened to their issues and watched as they have dismissed the concerns of others. I know from close acquaintences that white feminists really struggle to extend that spirit of equality to non-white female feminists, how much worse will they thus act towards men?
There is a reason why marriage rates have dropped while rates of sexlessness for younger men have increased. Maybe your circle and observations are not the norm?
P.S.
Your assertions about cryptocurrency are way off base, I’m into tech. I used to mine and there are some projects that I have found useful. I do not associate with too many crypto people in meatspace.
I would not suggest that purported ideology is a perfect proxy for behavior, but it is a statistic I can cite. I did not see you cite any statistics. I brought up personal experience, as did you, and they are obviously different, but that doesn’t make one inherently more valid.
Sure, there is a reason why marriage rates have dropped, but if you’re claiming it’s because women view men as wallets and sentries and sex toys, then I’m not sure you understand the historical context of marriage. Money and protection and socially acceptable intimacy were the driving forces behind marriage since women couldn’t have jobs or bank accounts, nor were they allowed any physical intimacy outside of wedlock. So it seems weird that now in a more free society you come to the conclusion that the decrease in marriage is due to that, considering if anything it’s been more true historically than currently.
Are you’re purposely ignoring women in the crypto space?
Low income women are also less likely to marry. That doesn’t mean that men are viewed as wallets. It certainly doesn’t indicate an increase in men being viewed as wallets. Income correlates with a lot of things such as health and education level.
This doesn’t back your initial claim that people overall do not care about men.
The reason I bring up your interactions with women in crypto spaces is because I find crypto spaces to be overly focused on wealth. It’s possible those interactions are coloring your perspective. If you disagree then I’m not sure why you’re not interacting with more women in that space irl. It’s possible there’s an issue with building community that isn’t local and therefore your irl options don’t share your interests/values. Not specifically you related, just in general as things get more online.
I’ve been involved in bitcoin since it was worth pennies. I’m involved monero for the tech, not the wealth acquisition. Monero in particular is about being able to send money to whomsoever you want, wherever they are in the world for whatever reason you desire. Definitely not for wealth. You’ve got the wrong guy with that.
Ok. That still doesn’t address your initial comment about people not caring about men, but it seems like that’s not actually a conversation you’re interested in. It’s extremely sad that people are becoming increasingly isolated and their worldview is being warped by things that are divorced from their day to day and exist exclusively online. I really hope that people are able to actually interact in a meaningful way with each other so that this skewed perception can be dispelled. People care. Not just about men as a whole, but about men as individuals. I sincerely hope one day you’re able to recognize that.
I’ve decided to stop wasting my time. I have no respect for feigned concern for the purposes of winning an argument. You live in your own bubble where all women are wonderful, considerate feminists who seek men for equitable relationships. Damn near everything I’ve seen in this life tells me otherwise. I can acknowledge that there are some women who genuinely believe and act in the spirit of the theory that you propose but I’m not naive enough to believe that it’s the majority.
I have seen gender judicial bias up close and personal. I have witnessed a precursor of such in the manner in which educational establishments treat males versus females and let it not be a Black male, then you’ll really see how much contempt western society has for you. I have seen the run up to male suicide and the lack of consideration for male mental health. I have witnessed the homeless epidemic, which of course has impacted far more men than women.
Nobody really cares about men besides a minority of men and an even smaller minority of women. The remainder only consider men in as much as it pertains to validating women. If you reduce women to being brood mares and play things for men it’s sexist but men being seen as nothing but wallets, sentries and sex toys for women is just fine.
I sometimes wonder why so many people consider negative effects of porn on relationships obvious while completely disregarding negative effects of romance fiction on relationships (among other things the concept of a soulmate you have to just find and then everything in the relationship is effortless afterwards).
Christians are actively waging a war on porn, that’s why.
The book bans are a war on romance fiction. I think I live in a state where it’s the most egregious though, so maybe this isn’t as wide spread yet as the porn bans.
I’d love to see what you’re basing that conclusion on. Most American women identify as feminist, which aims to liberate men as it does women from deeply entrenched gender norms. Less men identify as feminist, and one could argue some of that loss is because some men don’t value the liberation of women while still valuing the liberation of men. Admittedly, not all feminists are working towards liberation equally, but at its core it’s about self determination for everyone regardless of sex or gender. Most marriages in my social circle have the woman earning more than the man, and the men are not operating as “sentries” or “sex toys” in these relationships. Most do not need a male protector at this point and can certainly get sexual gratification solo or elsewhere if something happened. If you’re not American I can’t really speak about your country, and even in America lived experience can differ, but it seems reductionist to say nobody cares about men.
It seems like you have an interest in crypto, which is fine, but that community seems to self select for a certain type of person. It’s possible you’re just not in spaces where the majority of people behave the way the general population does.
white women voted for trump 65 to 35, so thats a lot of feminists voting for a rapist or your statement might be wrong ;)
This is an easily accessible statistic. If you want to discuss what it means that a third of Americans didn’t vote, or issues with intersectionality, I’m happy to do so, but the statistic comes directly from pew: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/07/07/61-of-u-s-women-say-feminist-describes-them-well-many-see-feminism-as-empowering-polarizing/
I understand what you’re getting at, but it’s not super relevant to the conversation at hand. Some women voted Trump. Women as a whole did not. If we’re using voting Trump as a proxy for feminism/supporting men and womens liberation then the commenter would have to at least concede that women are more likely to support men’s liberation than men are. Also, if this is to be a discussion of white women as it relates to respecting men, if men believe that nonwhite women are most likely to respect then then I’d love to see more men embracing their representation and elevating nonwhite women. I don’t really see that. So it then goes back to why are men not supporting men? Why are men not elevating people that support men?
Many Americans identify as Christian while also openly chasing status and wealth. My point being, ideology does not always change or improve behavior. Most people who claim a particular dogma will not accept or even understand its core tenets. I dare say that most self identified feminists are not in it for the benefit of all.
I have had conversations with such women, listened to their issues and watched as they have dismissed the concerns of others. I know from close acquaintences that white feminists really struggle to extend that spirit of equality to non-white female feminists, how much worse will they thus act towards men?
There is a reason why marriage rates have dropped while rates of sexlessness for younger men have increased. Maybe your circle and observations are not the norm?
P.S. Your assertions about cryptocurrency are way off base, I’m into tech. I used to mine and there are some projects that I have found useful. I do not associate with too many crypto people in meatspace.
I would not suggest that purported ideology is a perfect proxy for behavior, but it is a statistic I can cite. I did not see you cite any statistics. I brought up personal experience, as did you, and they are obviously different, but that doesn’t make one inherently more valid.
Sure, there is a reason why marriage rates have dropped, but if you’re claiming it’s because women view men as wallets and sentries and sex toys, then I’m not sure you understand the historical context of marriage. Money and protection and socially acceptable intimacy were the driving forces behind marriage since women couldn’t have jobs or bank accounts, nor were they allowed any physical intimacy outside of wedlock. So it seems weird that now in a more free society you come to the conclusion that the decrease in marriage is due to that, considering if anything it’s been more true historically than currently.
Are you’re purposely ignoring women in the crypto space?
I do not purposefully ignore women in any space. Back to the actual topic:
What makes a man “marriageable”? In addition to being a romantic arrangement and a family form, marriage is an economic institution. So, when men lack economic resources, they may be less likely to marry. https://www.weforum.org/stories/2018/11/what-upticks-in-u-s-economic-inequality-and-incarceration-mean-for-marriage/
Men’s odds of being in a relationship today are still highly correlated with their income,” Stone said. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/02/america-marriage-decline/681518/
Low income women are also less likely to marry. That doesn’t mean that men are viewed as wallets. It certainly doesn’t indicate an increase in men being viewed as wallets. Income correlates with a lot of things such as health and education level.
This doesn’t back your initial claim that people overall do not care about men.
The reason I bring up your interactions with women in crypto spaces is because I find crypto spaces to be overly focused on wealth. It’s possible those interactions are coloring your perspective. If you disagree then I’m not sure why you’re not interacting with more women in that space irl. It’s possible there’s an issue with building community that isn’t local and therefore your irl options don’t share your interests/values. Not specifically you related, just in general as things get more online.
I’ve been involved in bitcoin since it was worth pennies. I’m involved monero for the tech, not the wealth acquisition. Monero in particular is about being able to send money to whomsoever you want, wherever they are in the world for whatever reason you desire. Definitely not for wealth. You’ve got the wrong guy with that.
Ok. That still doesn’t address your initial comment about people not caring about men, but it seems like that’s not actually a conversation you’re interested in. It’s extremely sad that people are becoming increasingly isolated and their worldview is being warped by things that are divorced from their day to day and exist exclusively online. I really hope that people are able to actually interact in a meaningful way with each other so that this skewed perception can be dispelled. People care. Not just about men as a whole, but about men as individuals. I sincerely hope one day you’re able to recognize that.
I’ve decided to stop wasting my time. I have no respect for feigned concern for the purposes of winning an argument. You live in your own bubble where all women are wonderful, considerate feminists who seek men for equitable relationships. Damn near everything I’ve seen in this life tells me otherwise. I can acknowledge that there are some women who genuinely believe and act in the spirit of the theory that you propose but I’m not naive enough to believe that it’s the majority.
I have seen gender judicial bias up close and personal. I have witnessed a precursor of such in the manner in which educational establishments treat males versus females and let it not be a Black male, then you’ll really see how much contempt western society has for you. I have seen the run up to male suicide and the lack of consideration for male mental health. I have witnessed the homeless epidemic, which of course has impacted far more men than women.