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return2ozma@lemmy.world to News@lemmy.world · 5 months ago

Bernie Sanders: A Mass Movement Can Beat Health CEO Greed

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Bernie Sanders: A Mass Movement Can Beat Health CEO Greed

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return2ozma@lemmy.world to News@lemmy.world · 5 months ago
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We spoke to Bernie Sanders about alleged health insurance CEO shooter Luigi Mangione, the crisis of for-profit health care in America, why only a mass movement can win Medicare for All, and how to fight the growing share of working-class votes for the Right.
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  • RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world
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    I want to live in the timeline where things Bernie sees actually come true.

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      If it weren’t for Hillary and the DNC being corrupt, Bernie would have destroyed trump in 2016. I know so many people where I was living in middle America that flipped from Bernie to Trump.

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        I wasn’t in middle America, but experienced the same thing. I still don’t understand it. Is it just populism? If so, not good. I definitely shed friends in 2016.

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          It’s because Trump advocates for change. Now it’s not good change but he’s definitely not a fan of the status quo, which gets you votes when the other guy is a Democrat centrist beholden to status quo-loving corporate donors.

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            I would argue that the change he advocates for is in the direction of the worst parts of status quo. The unbridled capitalistic endeavors of the rich, specifically. Very different than Bernie Sanders.

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              That’s true, but voters who are uneducated or simply don’t care about politics will see what he’s selling and think he’s at least better than the DNC’s “why would you want change? Everything is fine” nonsense.

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                So it really does just boil down to populism for some folks, then? That’s hard, thanks for posing it this way.

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                  Populism is efficient, yes. You can see that all around the world.

        • Alex@lemmy.world
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          Populism boosted by new media (internet) vs. lobbyism striving to maintain status quo.

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        Alright but Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders in the Primary Elections, so the “corruption” you’re referring to is like 30 Million People.

        • granolabar@kbin.melroy.org
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          Orly?

          • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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            Yeah, vote totals were like 16 Million for Hillary Clinton and 13 Million for Bernie Sanders. Maybe if more people voted in the primaries we would see Bernie at the helm.

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          Yes, because of the “super” delegates which was like 20 people who can automatically outvote the other hundreds of delegates.

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            It was real close except for the millions more people who voted for Hillary.

            Edit: sorry for the transparency making it hard to read on dark modes.

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    Bernie can read the room. These other fuckers very much less so.

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      I’d step back onto the streets with Bernie at the head again. A small part of me still holds that hope from 2016.

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        So many fucking years ago. Ended any passion I had towards politics.

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        Never forget Bernie’s legacy… https://youtu.be/ZlZaVtCT5HI

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      The others can read the room too; they’re just in an entirely different room.

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        In the took with CEOs?

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      I feel like they can just choose not to because wheres the money in that?!

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      Yes he can. I am happy he still has a voice.

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    Mass movements can do lots of things, but we can’t even get a majority of people to vote…

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      We can get a majority of those that do vote to vote for Trump so I am not that hopeful.

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      I can’t even get a plurality of people to agree that we should have a national strike.

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      Because people don’t feel represented in the current FPTP voting-system, which to be fair, was designed by wealthy romans to benefit wealthy romans.

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      As it turns out, you only need like around 5% of the population to start a revolution (if even that amount). Revolutions have been started with even fractions of a percent.

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      Voting is how we got here…

      Political proces and utterly captured

      Otherwise we would have had Bernie 2016.

      I am tired of political clowns pretending like politics is the solution, it is key part of the problem.

      Did you see how politicians are reacting here.

      Besides Bernie that is

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    Word is, when Bernie first saw the news of the murder, he said, “Fuck yes.”

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    I healthcare insurance companies need to become extinct.

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    Fuck it, i think Luigi’s method is gonna be more effective.

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      What’s easier, motivating hundreds of thousands of people to get out and protest, or letting a few moderately motivated people take direct action?

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        Not protest. Y’all need at least a general strike to have a shot at doing something. That or found/get behind a third party and kill the DNC.

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          You are correct but the person you are responding is more correct

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    You heard it from Bernie. Sharpen those pitchforks.

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    Good interview, good vision. Should have been Bernie.

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    This country needs to have a mass bowel movement and flush that shit down the drain.

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    Give it a try Bernie, maybe if you say it someone will listen.

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    Mass movement, movement of mass, close enough.

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    certainly if the movement is fast enough, as we’ve learned.

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      Say a muzzle velocity of roughly 1100 ft per second?

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        Sometimes it do be like that

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    I wish we would see a movement like this in Canada when it comes to grocery giants like Loblaws

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      Do they also have a law review?

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        I think Bob has a law blog.

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      Loblaws got a parastic CEO and y’all got school shooters?

      Might resolve itself at some point but who knows

      No way to tell tbh

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    He is not wrong lol

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    But when I say the same solution I get banned from communities for being a “coward” and “copaganda.”

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      I think if Bernie suggested murdering all the CEOs he’d get banned from his communities, though.

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        Yeah but how come CEOs never get banned anywhere for murdering all the working class Premium payers…

        Hmmm

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        I don’t think such things have ever or will ever stop Bernie Sanders from speaking his mind.

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