Oz, who has a history of making degrading remarks about women, has no government experience. As a candidate for Senate in 2022, he expressed opposition to abortion at any point in pregnancy.
I see a pattern, it’s the people he watches for years on TV and likes who he puts into leading positions.
To be honest this seems in character for the USA, this is what the american people are often doing too, putting celebrities from movies and TV in charge of their country, case in point Reagan, Schwarzeneger and Trump.
You can kick and scream but Trump really is the embodiment of America.
I can and I will continue to make a fuss about it, but goddamn it, you’re not wrong. He really is.
He’s the embodiment of America but dammit some of us really thought our country might be willing to attempt being better.
The kicking and screaming is more proof.
I had a look at the list you linked and was surprised to see the list pointing out Germans and Polish people so I looked a bit dealer.
The German guy was in the left party which is so small that they always have trouble to get over the 5℅ necessary to be in the Bundestag, so he has never been in any leading position. And even the nomination to become president failed. And even if he became a president, in Germany that is not a leading position, a president just represents a country like a King.
In Poland, for Lech Kaczyński (who was the president of Poland) the wikipedia article down not even mention his work as an actor. On IMDB 4 entries are there. He was voice acting for a animated movie as a 13 years old and this is the biggest of the movies he was involved. The next next is a documentary, so he is not acting. The next one is a special episode of a game show to which politicians have been invited as participants. So no acting here either.
The next from Poland Jarosław Kaczyński, the twin brother also only had the voice acting as a 13 years old and documentaries where he didn’t act listed on his IMDB page.
The third and last polish guy in the lis fits the description of a celebrity and politician in power, he was elected into parlament.
For Sweden nobody is listed. Same for South Korea. So from the countries I lived in my feeling that this doesn’t happen is supported by the list you linked.
But other Asian countries, god damn! The lists for India, the Philippines and so on are soooo long! I didn’t expect it. So it’s really different in different countries.
But then the list misses people like Boris Johnson, who was on telly a bit and became mayor of London and eventually PM of the UK mostly because of that.
He was awful at both roles, but people voted for him anyway because they’d heard of him.
I think people in general are politically unaware. It’s stuffy and boring, but affects everything. They should care, but it’s very hard to make them.
Yes the list is only about Actors, even Donald Trump is not in that list. Still an interesting list.
I guess if your whole life is an act, people forget.
“it’s ok because other people do it” is not a good argument.
Also, the scale of any activity subject to that excuse is relevant. Many electorates occasionally act weird, some electorates are notorious for the same acts.
The tone of the post I was replying to was ‘Look at these silly Americans, doing silly American things’; I was just pointing out that it’s not exclusively an American thing. Not saying it’s good.
Zelenskyy was the first one that came to my mind and I was actually just looking for how to properly spell his name (is it 1 y or 2? Various sources use one or the other and there’s no consistency), and found that page linked from his Wikipedia page (which lists it as 2 ys, for the record), so I linked to it instead of just naming Zelenskyy as my example.
I was thinking of Zelenskyy too. No other country’s election news makes it to my eyes, so there’s an inherent bias in what I have ‘in mind’.
Yeah that is true, but I also did not claim that. Anyway I have a hard time finding any celebrity in office in the countries I lived in (Poland, Germany, Sweden, South Korea), doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen though, just that it looks to happen much less often.
Judge Judy is his next SC pick isn’t she?
She would actually be a good one.
Judy is tough, but fair. I love her.
Cool but does she have a scholarly understanding of constitutional law?
Better than most of Trump’s lawyers.
She was a real judge before she was a TV judge, so yeah.
So is Aileen Cannon.
Yeah but Judy’s not a traitor.
That actually doesn’t mean much. Constitutional law is a specific subset of law and a specialization. Maybe she dealt with constitutional law as a judge, but most judges don’t. Things like family law, criminal law, IP law, and other basic everyday things are far more common. I would expect her specialization to have been something like mediation
Every law student studies con law and all lawyers are trained to do legal research on topics they don’t know offhand.
Didn’t Arnie do a decent job, though? I didn’t live in California during his time in office, but it sounded mostly positive.
As I understand it, Arnie is actually fairly intelligent, and also surrounded himself with competent people who knew how to do the jobs he asked of them.
Arnie is actually fairly intelligent, and also surrounded himself with competent people
This is really the key factor. His acting chops probably just helped him convince people to vote for him; it wasn’t all there was to him.
Yeah. He got a bunch of parks built, and a bunch of other things to improve basic qol.
I did not want to put in any judgment on how well celecreties do in office, it was just an observation that this doesn’t really seem to happen in other countries to this extend. But there instead mostly professional politicians or scientists like Angela Merkel run the show.
We’ve always nominated celebrities into higher office. In the early years of the country, celebrities were just generals. Still well known, voted because they were likely well known, just not what we would consider “celebrities” today. The effectiveness of these candidates could easily be disputed. But people vote because the name is familiar and not because of their policies. I have a feeling with all the muckraking and “alternative facts” today, the louder name will continue to have more chances than they should otherwise.
While I do think positively of him, I’ll raise the counter example of Ronald Reagan.
To be honest I was very worried that he would assign competent and evil people to his cabinet positions. Somewhat relieved that he has only appointed clowns so far.
You forget clowns are much more dangerous when there are no adults in the room.
Yeah, but a cabinet of malintentioned competent adults can do so so much worse than a circus of malintentioned clowns
Yeah. That’s true. I worry more about kushner and his round two plans after wiping out his debt in round one.
I mean, the governator wasn’t actually that bad in fact I remember a lot of positive stories, but I could be wrong
Gil Scott Heron called it years ago. B Movie. From Shogun to Raygun…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlVgtckqSaY
But, oh yeah, I remember In this year that we have now declared The year from Shogun to Ray-Gun I remember what I said about Ray-Gun...meant it Acted like an actor...Hollyweird Acted like a liberal Acted like General Franco when he acted like Governor of California Then he acted like a Republican Then he acted like somebody was going to vote for him for President And now we act like 26% of the registered voters is actually a mandate We're all actors in this, I suppose
Also this is Oprah’s fault. Trump only knows this guy from TV
Yeah, in all seriousness, fuck Oprah completely. Stalwart proponent of grifters, pedophiles, and rapists.
The US is officially a joke.
🌏👨🚀🔫👨🚀🌌
We’ve been a joke for a long time. We the people are finally learning the rest of the world isn’t laughing with us…
I used to live in England back in 1999-2004 on and off during the summer with my mom. Even then we were a fucking joke. I learned very quickly to lose my Texas accent and just tell people I was Canadian. I literally almost got my ass kicked several times after 9/11 when my fellow Brits found out I was from America. I wasn’t even old enough to vote at the time. I haven’t been back since 2009 but I suspect nowadays they’d just feel sorry for me. I live in California now which is rife with it’s own problems but at least my family and I feel somewhat safer here than in Oklahoma or Texas where we lived most our lives. I couldn’t raise my daughter in Oklahoma and feel that in doing what’s best for her. Plus California is fucking beautiful and there’s so much to do and see! Cost of living is the only downside here for me.
Why almost get beat up post 9/11?
I don’t know about immediately post 9/11 but in 2003/4 there was a lot of ill will towards Americans in Europe.
Why? War?
The Iraq invasion.
A lot of it is nervous laughter now but I’m sure it’s the same down there now too.
After marking this latest square on my bingo card, it formed a pentagram and a demon is trying to claw it’s way out of the free space. Please help.
No, let him. He is trying to help us.
Nothing surprises me anymore. Reap what you sow americans.
Yeah as a non-American I honestly just don’t have the energy to be worried/outraged about what’s going on in the US anymore. I’ve essentially been fretting about America since George W. Bush took office, and it just keeps getting worse. Now they’ve handed the presidency, house, senate, supreme court and the popular vote to Trump I just… don’t have it in me to engage in four more years of people endlessly tweeting about the horrible shit Trump is doing, while nobody does anything about it. Not to mention the decades afterwards it’ll take to clean this all up, if that’s even possible.
Sorry to all the Americans who didn’t vote for this. Good luck.
I, too, prefer the narrative where this is our problem to deal with and the consequences for our actions will be paid for by us.
Now i’m not so sure that narrative is true, but there is comfort and motivation to be found in knowing the world will go on without our shenanigans
It’s both amazing ams shocking to watch from an outside perspective. On one hand, they ficked up and need to eat it. On the other hand, this shit will affect the world over time, so that means their fuckup is masterfully large.
Obligatory reply that it’s no less amazing and shocking when you’re watching it from the inside.
No less confusing either. I just have to hope that it’s more ignorance than malice, but the two often go hand in hand.
The result of the “Golden Age of Television”
Ok but the golden age of television is when tv stopped being constrained to news, sports, unintelligent serials, or the occasional series of one off episodes with a brain like twilight zone and Star Trek. It’s the era in which it stopped being exceptional for a tv show to have artistic merit thanks to the rise in expectations of continuity from episode to episode. It’s the least dumb tv has ever been.
This is the product of social media and the failure of the education system
You know what he said multiple times on his demented rants. Tivo is the best invention since, well I don’t remember the full quote
Thank you Oprah, very cool!
Bet she didn’t see this coming when she was promoting this hack.
It was him, it would be another stupid TV doctor.
Dr Nick would be preferred
Wish he were Trump’s doc
Dr. Oz might be the most competent pick by the new Administration yet. This tells you a lot about the competence of all the other picks.
In my opinion, as an outside observer, I’d say it is the duty of every patriotic American to mass produce signs that say “THIS COUNTRY IS RUN BY IDIOTS” and post them everywhere.
We all knew it’s run by idiots. That’s what “by the people” means.
It almost seems like he is assembling a heist team. Oh wait…
Ugh. Somebody totally fucking called this the other day.
It was me. Sort of, I figured he’d be Surgeon General. I fucking hate this.
Well CUT IT OUT, then!
Please predict that he appoints independent senator from Vermont that the DNC thinks is a joke and lost an election to avoid nominating to something important next.
Fuggin clown shoes.
Next up on FarceNews: Trump’s newest picks to include Cap’n Crunch (Secretary of Defense), Scrooge McDuck (Treasury), and Smokey the Bear (Education).
- Smokey Bear
Doesn’t matter anymore. Didn’t read past the headline, so I didn’t realize the real appointee for Secretary of Education is actually the wife of the strut-around/smell-money/fall-over-in-his-chair wrestling dude from the memes.
I only know Dr Oz from what I’ve seen on reddit. Which usually isn’t a good sign.
OTOH, wasn’t Trump expected to gut Medicare and Medicaid anyway? So he won’t be able to do much damage.
Oh look, the hilarious consequences of our own actions. Hey pensioners, I hope this was what you had in mind if you voted R!
I’m looking at my bingo list and I have Hulk Hogan and Anthony Hopkins looking to be picked up for a department.
In real news, there is a certain sub somewhere on the Internet that isn’t too crazy about some of the picks. Kind of interesting
