• tusker
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    4 months ago

    Support proof of work defense through external Tor by @fa2a5qj3 in 3d44f37.

    Does it mean we do not get this feature by just running the app and have to set up tor seperately?

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      4 months ago

      It’s unlikely that you get ddosed as a regular peer. Your .onion is a lot harder to find than the seednodes and if you get attacked, you can easily switch to a new one. It’s also a lot more convenient to use the internal tor for clients because there is no need to configure any tor settings.

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        4 months ago

        Makes sense, thanks.

        Do you know if I already have a good peer list and the seed nodes go down and I restart Haveno will I be able to connect to the network and use it?

        Also would be cool if peers with good uptime could automatically be promoted to seed nodes, not sure if this could even work but if possible it could make the netowrk more resilient.

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          4 months ago

          I’m not sure if the seed node is the same as the network operators node. But if you can’t connect to the latter I believe you can’t use haveno.

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            4 months ago

            If seed nodes need to be up all the time for the network to work then it is not really decentralized. Would be great if after bootstrapping and building your own peer list the seed nodes were no longer essential.

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              4 months ago

              Maybe open a github issue about storing the peerlist locally to fall back on if seednodes shouldn’t be reachable for whatever reason? I’m pretty sure you also can’t start a new Monero node if the seednodes aren’t available so I’d call them more of a convenience feature rather than call their existence a lack of decentralization since you can always join the network by supplying your own initial peers.

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                4 months ago

                If you have a peerlist already then you do not need seednodes in monero, this makes it decentralized. If in haveno you need a seednode every time you join the network then it is not decentralized. The whole point of seednodes is to get you connected to other peers, after the the seednode is not required.

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                  4 months ago

                  It does make sense to have a more reliable, designated entry point since you can’t be sure everyone in your peerlist hasn’t just gone offline. Also, don’t the seednodes hand out the pre-populated orderbook? As well as some other stuff? There has to be some reason why that isn’t done by regular peers, right?

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                    4 months ago

                    The seednodes most likely perform some function that regular peers cannot due to some valid reason I am sure. This is concerning because if the seednodes are offline then the whole network goes down, thus making the network solely dependent on a server admin. The ideal is to only require seednodes for the bootstrap.