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        Yeah… Surviving that basically won him the election.

        Not if everyone making this assumption gets out and votes, rather than staying at home and assuming they’ve already lost. The left outnumber the right after all. Losing is a turnout issue.

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          Kinda crazy to think Biden can still pull this off. Furthermore, it happened in PA, a crucial state.

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            You could run a cabbage, but if everyone votes for them they’ve pulled it off. Voting is the difference between winning and losing.

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    My feelings weren’t mixed on Trump. I hope the next person has better aim.

    I was just plain old sad about Richard Simmons, Dr Ruth, and Shannen Doherty. They all deserve better.

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    No mixed feelings at all. I am unequivocally sad that we lost Richard Simmons today 😢😢😢

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    Oh no, I wasn’t having mixed feelings, I was disappointed that someone took a shot at the king and missed.

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    No mixed feelings, I’m absolutely devastated about how much harder saving the USA will be from today.

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    Pretty worried about the comments man. Murdering (or trying to) a candidate of any political party is terrible.

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      People often talk about going back in time to kill baby Hitler. By all measures Trump would like to be a new Hitler and his most fervent supporters see him as that. Is it surprising people would support such an action to stop him?

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        If you unironically think trump would be a new Hitler, I’m either completely underestimating his threat or you’re batshit fucking insane.

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            Dunno much about it, I’m not american, but at what I could find with a quick online search, it looks pretty awful. Looks nowhere near the control you’d need for a dictatorship.

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        None of his supporters, unless you’re talking about a very extreme fringe, look at him as Hitler.

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            I thought that trump supporters were Nazis and liked that trump was like Hitler, so what do you mean?

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              I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic but I talked to a friend last night who lives in Mississippi and he said that he talks to people who think that Trump is legit a good Christiana and a good person.

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      Not only is it terrible, it’s an actual threat to democracy.

      I don’t know how anyone is surprised though. When you use words like “Nazi” and “existential threat” and “threat to our democracy” it can’t be a shock when someone tries to become a historic hero for taking out the supposed next Hitler, and people who buy into that propaganda language are going to cheer them on and want more of it. They’re frothing at the mouth, imagining they’re on the right side of history.

      I get what the Dems are trying to do with pushing that language, but it really is playing with fire. It was a 50/50 chance that they could get him ineligible to run, alive or dead, and they’ve lost each bet.

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          I mean, he attempted a coup in the same way Biden sent that kid to shoot Trump a few days ago.

          You know what’s more of a threat to democracy? Trying to imprison a political opponent.

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            Do you have a source for Biden paying off that kid?

            Also, Trump should serve time for the financial crimes he committed outside of being president. Him being in prison wouldn’t be that much of an issue for a lot of his fans

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        OceanSoap being loaded into the train car: “Ok guys, any minute now will be the prime opportunity to stop these fascist guys. Just remember to consider both sides, they might have a really good reason for taking us out to this isolated camp.”

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          See they’re having us fill the whole back up again. This isn’t a mass grave. They’re just putting us to work! See creating jobs why complain?

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          Picking good arguments from both candidates isn’t allowing one to walk all over you,.

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        This feels like some strained both-sidesing here.

        Calling the traitorous self-serving felon that caused an actual attack on the government and the Democratic process “a threat to democracy” seems tame, honestly. And that’s not even getting into his promises to jail political opponents, be a dictator on day one, suspend the constitution, call the free press an enemy of the people, and claim absolute authority and absolute immunity.

        But then that whole political group also seems convinced that a barely progressive status quo “let’s work together” administration is literally totalitarian tyranny.

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          On top of that, if trump would have been killed, there is technically nothing stopping the US from postponing elections, coming up with an intermediate solution to have a functioning government without a D. president (like, no appointing of judges and such) and then have an election next year when the Republicans had enough time to find a new candidate.

          If trump pushes through the things he said he’d do and what his supporters are supporting like project 2025, there’s a real chance that there are no actually democratic elections in 2028. And this is ignoring the fact that gerrymandering and the electoral college are already questionable and regularly abused by or benefit Republicans the most.

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          Yeah, as a joke. Context matters. Like how I don’t think Biden meant he wanted some to shoot trump when he said “put a bullseye on him”.

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            Here’s your broader context, all direct quotes:

            “We’re going to build a wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it”

            “When the looting starts, the shooting starts”

            “I will totally obliterate the deep state”

            IT’S JUST A JOKE BRO, IT’S JUST A PRANK

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        I see republican voters shooting republican candidates as pretty much reasonable outcome rather than some newly emergent threat to democracy. Trump made his image himself, it was him who decided to harass miniorities and brag about reading Mein Kampf often. It was him who made republican message extreme, provoked an insurrection, had all those criminal charges and appointed obviously corrupt judges. He groomed americans into feeling insecure and threatened and radicalized a lot of them. I think random depressed kids trying to suicide by shooting him is the least he should expect, especially seeing that USA has a gun cult focused around right to bear arms against threats to democracy. Also a child rapist, which alone is enough for millions of people to pull the trigger. You’re seriously blaming his bad image on anyone else?

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          Trump made his image himself, it was him who decided to harass miniorities and brag about reading Mein Kampf often.

          The absolute garbage that does be on the internet, honestly.

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            Right, sorry, it was his wife that outed him for having Hitler speeches book “My New Order” back in 1990, which he apparently kept in a cabinet next to his bed. In the interview he also admitted having a copy of Mein Kampf, though he never openly claimed to read that book often. When he quoted Hitler in 2023 he said it was just a coincidence. Which caused no one to feel uneasy, no one at all. His former chief of staff claimed that Trump praised Hitler for doing some good things, like rebuilding the economy.

            So right, sorry, I mixed the “Mein Kampf” for “My New Order”, and it was his wife that outed that, he only confirmed.

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        Were you asleep the first time he was in office? Read Project 2025. That’s what they plan on doing if he gets elected.

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          I wasn’t. The economy was far better and we didn’t start any new wars.

          I did read project 2025, but Trump has already said that’s not his aim or connect to him. He does have an agenda, but it’s not that one

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    Nothing mixed. Fully sad he didn’t die and this will cement his win in the coming months. We’re fucked.

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      There’s still time for the DNC to swap Biden out for a more electable candidate and energize their own base again, for what it’s worth, though at this point I think the DNC wants to lose so they can secure more funding.

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    After thinking about this REALLY REALLY HARD…offing him will do nothing to stop the creep of facism. You have an entire party now aligned with the idealogices that the 3rd Reich had. And it’s the entire party. MAGA killed the GOP after they got rid of Cheney. You cut one head off and 3 more will pop up identical to him…with vindication. Its going to be a yearly struggle and I’m afraid we won’t be able to hold them back forever.

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      After thinking about this REALLY REALLY HARD…offing him will do nothing to stop the creep of [fascism]

      Who would step in to replace Trump? Trump has worked hard to discredit anybody who could potentially challenge him. Strongmen often groom a son to take over for them, but only after they’ve been in power for many years. Trump might want Junior to take over, but I doubt even Trump’s hand-picked yes-men would accept Junior at this point.

      Instead you’d almost certainly get a power vacuum with various Republican factions trying to take over.

      You cut one head off and 3 more will pop up

      And those 3 would start snapping at each-other trying to become the dominant head. And, as long as they’re distracted snapping at each-other, they’re not going to be focusing on us.

      IMO, Trump is also the only thing holding this right-wing coalition together. As soon as he’s gone the factions are going to turn on each-other. The bad thing is that they’ve already shown that they’re going to get violent when they feel their grip on power is slipping. I’m sure this assassination attempt is going to lead to right-wing violence, and if it had succeeded it would have been a lot more violence.

      The most dangerous thing about Trump is that he’s he’s got almost half the US behind him. There are probably more cruel Republicans, and probably some who would be more effective at implementing their cruel policies. But, not many who would be able to get so much support and keep the coalition together.

      The Republican base is getting smaller each year as old people die. It’s not a popular platform with the younger voters. If the US can avoid a Trump win this year, the MAGA version of the Republican party will probably fall apart. Then it will be back to the regular corporatocracy that the US has been dealing with for decades. If he does win… well I’m glad I don’t live in the US.

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        I believe the same. Want it or not, Trump has the charisma that nobody else in the party does. And the luck. My only hope to stop the madness was to have Trump losing the election then dropping dead by natural causes after. That’d be safest way to take all his followers out of the spell. I really don’t see any other way for his cult to end. Then the right wing extremists go back to hate in their closets and, if democrats are smart, keep having more moderate candidates like Biden and reign the extreme left as well.

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          It would have to be a big loss. If it’s at all close, there’s going to be a lot of violence.

          The only other thing I could think of that could end things without a lot more violence is if a scandal finally stuck to him and resulted in him losing support. Like, the Epstein stuff. The right has spent years getting their base riled up against pedophiles and groomers. If people believed that Trump really was a pedophile, it could finally sink him. But, nothing seems to stick to him.

          Whatever happens, I hope scholars can study him and figure out why he’s so charismatic to so many people. I don’t get it. I look at him and I see a dumb, fat blow-hard who lies constantly and can’t even string a sentence together. Yet, for some reason, other people look at that and see a hero.

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      Killing him potentially turns their party against themselves as they fight each other for the power vacuum it creates

      Doing it before he picks a VP furthers that unity divide

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      There’s a reason the Allies kept trying to assassinate Hitler during WW2, and it wasn’t because they thought it was a bad plan to end the war.

      Not saying I agree or disagree with you. Just sayin’ how it happened last time.

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          Oh yeah, that’s right, I keep forgetting this is fashion commy territory and they use liberal as a slur like Republicans do with no self-awareness

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            You’re on Lemmy, outside of explicitly anti-communist spaces like Lemmy.world you’re going to find more leftists.

            Leftists referring to Liberals negatively is standard leftism, as Liberals support the Capitalist status quo and stand in the way of progress. The fact that Republicans are even further right than Liberals and use Lib as a slur for people less right wing does not mean leftists are without “self-awareness.”

            You could read theory if you want to, plenty of people would be willing to share tips and pointers, then you wouldn’t have to rely on edgeless snark.