• modifier@lemmy.ca
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          You’re the one making the extraordinary claim that this decision had ‘nothing’ to do with massive, nation-wide, broadly covered protests occurring in a hotly contested election year amongst a key demographic.

          So, prove it.

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            Ahh. So when one person makes a claim that’s unproven, but you believe it- the onus is on the person that asks it to be proven to prove it isn’t?

            Sorry, but that’s not how it works…

            There is zero evidence to support the statement that this has anything to do with protests. ZERO. you cannot prove it.

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              I’ll save us both a lot of frustration and wasted time and simply refer you back to my first comment.

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                I’ll also save us both a lot of frustration and wasted time and simply refer you back to my first comment.

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                  That’s just it though. Neither of us can point to a causal chain of events conclusively proving or disproving our belief.

                  The difference is, my belief is fully compatible with the mountain of circumstantial evidence mentioned in my above comment, whereas your belief requires one to completely ignore all of it.

                  So you’re going to look at a decision in the heat of an enormously momentous election year, made by a president who is running for reelection, amidst numerous, widespread, widely covered protests made largely by a demographic that is absolutely critical to this candidate-president winning said election…You’re going to look at all that and say it had ‘nothing to do’ with those same protests.

                  Not, ‘there were other factors’, nope, you confidently assert the protests had nothing to do with it and demand proof of a suggestion to the contrary.

                  Once again, check your tether.

                  You start distorting reality, and it gets tough to stop, by nature.

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                    So your proof is no proof. Correlation isn’t causation. Check your work and try again.

                    Provide proof please.

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                Dumb for disagreeing with something you like? Do you insult everyone that disagrees with you?

                I wonder if there’s a way to describe that……

                Hmmmm….

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      That’s a tough statement to back up. Especially considering the scale of the protests, and Biden’s refusal to speak against isreal until this point.

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        And saying it is a result of protests is a tough statement to back up especially considering that old leaders do this shit all the time without the need of protestors.

        If it was a result of, good. Glad it worked. But saying it’s proof of- which is what I responded to, is disingenuous.

        Additionally, these socialists bag on him constantly to the point that it’s damn near a propaganda campaign and then take credit for anything good that he does?

        Seriously???

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      Prove it

      You can’t prove a negative

      You aren’t claiming a negative.

      Logically, it was caused by something. You are claiming that the something that caused it was not the protests.

      The only way you can accurately make that claim is with the knowledge of what did cause it.

      So prove your claim that the thing that caused this was not the protests, but something else instead.

      If you don’t do that, you’re admitting to arguing in bad faith.

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        I am claiming a negative. I sad it protests did not cause his actions.

        We don’t know what it was caused by, therefore one cannot claim it’s proof of anything.

        What should have been said, was

        “Maybe the protests helped nudge this into happening….” Or…

        “Looks like maybe the protests worked!”

        But disingenuously claiming this as a “w” by the same people that spend all day finding hit-piece articles to drag Biden through the mud is pretty shitty.

        You don’t get to call someone out as the worst thing for America and then take credit for the good that they do.

        I’m done with this discussion.

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          I sad it protests did not cause his actions.

          Again, the only way you can accurately make that claim is with the knowledge of what did cause it.

          So prove your claim that the thing that caused this was not the protests, but something else instead.

          What should have been said, was

          Agreed. And what you should have said was “There’s no evidence that the protests caused his actions.” But you didn’t, you instead made a falsifiable claim, and refuse to back it up with proof. Making you a hypocrite.

          I’m done with this discussion

          Better luck next time, then.