• PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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          She just supported people that blown up Nordstream, Kakhovka dam (and a lot of other things), shelled nuclear plant, started and maintain that war and use depleted uranium shells. I would say that even from a strictly ecological point of view she fucked up incredibly.

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            She’s supporting the Ukrainians tho.

            Are you actually saying that they did all this to themselves? That’s what the Russian state has been saying without credible proof.

            Edit: I’d like to see where you got your info.

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              To themselves??? None of those were theirs.

              Nordstream is Russian-German, not Ukrainian. Sabotaged obviously by USA, though USA claim Ukraine did it. <- note this shit, how they are wriggling themselves as pretzels and Greta is standing between them, supporting both possible perpetrators of that huge multitiered ecological catastrophe.

              Kakhovka dam is on territory annexed by Russia and is very important strategic asset for Russia since it protects mainly Russian side and supplies Crimea with water, which is huge problem and was one of the main reasons Russians taken it. Also Ukraine previously already attacked it and they were freely admitting to WaPo they have a plan to blowing it. Also it wouldn’t be even first dam blown up by them.

              Power plant is also occupied by Russians which had to shut it down because Ukraine was shelling it. Unless you believe the UA info that Russian artilery shelled literally themselves.

              Uranium shells are supplied to Ukraine by UK. They will use it in Ukraine, so i guess this is what they do to themselves, it’s their kids who gonna be born with plethora of problems. Alternatively, they might bombard Donetsk with it i guess, they are under no illusion this city is theirs and they are routineley showering civilian objests and infrastructure there with cluster mines, and other supposedly rare munitions (weird how they beg around the world for it and then use it on pointless attacks on civilians).

              it seem it is you who argue that Russia don’t even need an enemy because for some reason they keep attacking and sabotaging themselves all the time.

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                What I’m hearing is a tonne of supposition without backed up facts and hard reporting.

                I would love to see a link to a news story covering the evidence. Otherwise this sounds like a social media consensus built in a speculation-echo-chamber.

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                  HAHAHAHA now that’s fucking rich of you, coming here from the imperialist social media consensus.

                  But ok, i will humor you, though note that one sealion got banned already in this thread.

                  Nordstream.

                  Power plant, here, here, here

                  Dam here and here

                  Donetsk bombings plenty here

                  Uranium shells effects are pretty obviously researched in Iraq and Serbia, about howm seding it to Ukraine here and here. They are even bragging about it ffs.

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                    Some of those links are broken, but I’m getting the jist. Not all those links support your position, tho. Many that are not Russian news orgs are pointing the blame at Russia.

                    The politico article makes sure to point out that Russia is placing artillery in a position very close to the nuclear plant. That’s Bad, and inviting disaster.

                    The first link is a conspiracy blogger. this is patently not true! Leaving this up as an abject lesson in doing a little more reading before reacting to reflexive vitriol. I don’t particularly like that Ukraine shot at a nuclear power plant, but…

                    There is no real great answer to the question of “how do you behave when someone as a boot to your throat?” This war, started by Russia, is monstrous, in no small part because of the horrible cycle of retribution.

                    I didn’t know that Ukraine actually fired on Russian installations near a nuclear power plant. Thank you for informing me. I don’t like it, but I blame Russia for daring Ukraine to attack it.

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              You’re right, it makes much more sense that Russia would destroy their own pipeline which took 10 years to build so that Europe would buy US gas instead. And it makes perfect sense that Russia would destroy a dam they control and flood the defenses they had spent a whole year building, especially considering the Ukrainian counter offensive didn’t pan out and most of their soldiers died before ever seeing the fortifications.

              There’s no proof of that either, but as a good citizen, I believe everything my government tells me. They have my own personal best interests at heart, after all. Especially when they turn away refugees and let them drown in the Mediterranean, I don’t know how but I’m sure it protects me.