• KurtDunniehue@ttrpg.network
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    What I’m hearing is a tonne of supposition without backed up facts and hard reporting.

    I would love to see a link to a news story covering the evidence. Otherwise this sounds like a social media consensus built in a speculation-echo-chamber.

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      HAHAHAHA now that’s fucking rich of you, coming here from the imperialist social media consensus.

      But ok, i will humor you, though note that one sealion got banned already in this thread.

      Nordstream.

      Power plant, here, here, here

      Dam here and here

      Donetsk bombings plenty here

      Uranium shells effects are pretty obviously researched in Iraq and Serbia, about howm seding it to Ukraine here and here. They are even bragging about it ffs.

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        Some of those links are broken, but I’m getting the jist. Not all those links support your position, tho. Many that are not Russian news orgs are pointing the blame at Russia.

        The politico article makes sure to point out that Russia is placing artillery in a position very close to the nuclear plant. That’s Bad, and inviting disaster.

        The first link is a conspiracy blogger. this is patently not true! Leaving this up as an abject lesson in doing a little more reading before reacting to reflexive vitriol. I don’t particularly like that Ukraine shot at a nuclear power plant, but…

        There is no real great answer to the question of “how do you behave when someone as a boot to your throat?” This war, started by Russia, is monstrous, in no small part because of the horrible cycle of retribution.

        I didn’t know that Ukraine actually fired on Russian installations near a nuclear power plant. Thank you for informing me. I don’t like it, but I blame Russia for daring Ukraine to attack it.

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          The first link is a conspiracy blogger.

          Seymour Hersh is a conspiracy blogger??? You want to tell me all the previous times when he was correct like was also conspiracy theories? My Lai, Watergate, CIA support for Pinochet, Israel having nukes, Abu Ghraib, etc. ???

          The politico article makes sure to point out that Russia is placing artillery in a position very close to the nuclear plant. That’s Bad, and inviting disaster.

          Small part of the consequence of NATO being “Bad, and inviting disaster” since it been founded and especially since 1991.

          Some of those links are broken

          All works for me, just checked, but nvm

          This war, started by Russia, is monstrous, in no small part because of the horrible cycle of retribution.

          This isn’t “horrible cycle of retribution”, this is ongoing imperialism and specifically USA efforts to maintain their global hegemony in the capitalist system - an infinite growth in finite planet. And even the hot part of that war wasn’t started by Russia, it was started by Ukraine attacking Donbas in 2014, Russian intervened in that in 2022.

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            Seymour Hersh is a conspiracy blogger??? You want to tell me all the previous times when he was correct like was also conspiracy theories? My Lai, Watergate, CIA support for Pinochet, Israel having nukes, Abu Ghraib, etc. ???

            I’ll fully admit that I hadn’t read the entire thing or did due diligence on the sources prior to my comment. That’s a mistake I just did, and I will not be removing my previous comment, but striking it out with an added a correction as an abject lesson & to walk back the clearly erroneously statement. This is a bad habit of mine when I see vitriol online, particularly when it has a flavor of Russian state Media talking points.

            Thank you for pointing me to this guy’s blog. That is very promising to me, someone who likes to be informed by people who do their due diligence. (Hold up one more time! Here is a article that I found that refutes Seymour Hersh’s assertions. Also, we only have a single anonymous source of S. Hersh’s claims. https://oalexanderdk.substack.com/p/blowing-holes-in-seymour-hershs-pipe) I don’t like the idea that the US did this on Ukraine’s behalf, but that doesn’t make me think that Russia is the good guys, actually. The number of things that Ukraine and the United States would have to do to outweigh the atrocities that Russia has perpetrated, especially in starting this war for reuniting ‘Greater Russia.’ Not for standing against Capitalism, which is alive and well in the de facto fascist-oligarchy that is the modern Russian state.

            This isn’t “horrible cycle of retribution”, this is ongoing imperialism and specifically USA efforts to maintain their global hegemony in the capitalist system - an infinite growth in finite planet. And even the hot part of that war wasn’t started by Russia, it was started by Ukraine attacking Donbas in 2014, Russian intervened in that in 2022.

            Russia horribly mischaracterized a political pressure cooker, and made it tremendously worse by invading. You are repeating that purposeful propaganda in this moment. Protecting ‘ethnic russians’ was never the goal.

            I suppose next you’ll tell me that the Crimean peninsula vote to join Russia was above board?

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              Even the comments in this article you linked are criticising it pretty hard. Again, this is the guy who was consistently correct in decades, and the Nordstream issue is hottest potato since “Cuban” missile crisis, a literal attack on ally by USA and part of escalation which might as well lead to WW3. Of course a lot of people and institutions are gonna try to deflect it really hard.

              United States would have to do to outweigh the atrocities that Russia has perpetrated

              https://dessalines.github.io/essays/us_atrocities.html

              Russia horribly mischaracterized a political pressure cooker, and made it tremendously worse by invading. You are repeating that purposeful propaganda in this moment. Protecting ‘ethnic russians’ was never the goal.

              Yawn, cut and slice and gotcha moment.

              I suppose next you’ll tell me that the Crimean peninsula vote to join Russia was above board?

              We really don’t have anything to talk about.