• SGGeorwell@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    If I’m allowed to control who enters my home, then why isn’t a sovereign nation similarly able?

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      9 months ago

      Because a Nation (and I know this sounds crazy) is not a person. You can do many things a country can’t and vice versa.

      For example, you can make a rule that in your house black people do not get sweet foods. It’s a dick move but not illegal. A country is not allowed to make a law that says black people can’t eat sweet foods, because that would be racist discrimination (which is illegal for the government to do in most countries).

      Another example: You can poop (like you did when posting that question). A country does not have a digestive tract and in fact does not eat and can therefore not poop.

    • trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      9 months ago

      Did you know that nations aren’t a house and aren’t analogous at all?

      International and US law dictate that if you go to the US and make an asylum claim, you are there legally, by definition, until your case is heard. Trying to keep them out or deport them is in direct violation of those laws, purely for the sake of appealing to racist dipshits that have bought into the fear mongering about the border.

      If the US government (all governments, really) would simply put resources into processing those claims and making real pathways to citizenship, rather than brutalizing them for being born on the other side of a border and being brown, this “problem” could have been solved long ago.

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        9 months ago

        It doesn’t help that 99% of Americans are immigrants or the descendants of immigrants.

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        9 months ago

        International and US law dictate that if you go to the US and make an asylum claim, you are there legally, by definition, until your case is heard.

        And if you sneak across the border wherever you can manage and only make an asylum claim if/when caught…? Like, surely, there has to be an argument that you have to present yourself at the border and make such a claim for it to be valid? But then most illegal immigrants in the US are people who’ve received temporary visas and then just not left when it expired.

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      9 months ago

      Why would this analogy hold? Why can nations control who comes in and not cities, counties, or any other set of borders we’ve come up with?

      On top of that, the US doesn’t seem to respect other borders as much either, when it sends troops to whatever place, usually without getting invited.