People downplay that Access Hollywood tape, but he wasn’t joking. He was completely serious. In his mind, he could - and did – literally grab women’s pussies because he thought they’d just let him do it.
Here’s the thing, as an SA survivor, there are several natural reactions to situations like that – fight, flight, or freeze. In close quarters, you often can’t flee, and with a large attacker, you can’t always fight. Freezing is a very common response to sexual assault.
So all these years, when he says ‘they just let you do it’, he’s been describing his victims’ freeze response. You don’t have to be a star for that to be your victim’s reaction. And yet his followers and the media have turned it into a joke.
I think I can speak for many SA survivors when I say that’s disgusting, appalling, and hurtful.
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I don’t find it funny at all and have to say my faith in humanity was absolutely crushed (below rock bottom) when he wasn’t immediately cast out after the tape came out. My mother (in her 80s) was like “yeah, that’s what we’re dealing with, son”.
It’s not locker room talk, it’s rapist talk.
As a dude who’s been in plenty of locker rooms… it is indeed “rapist talk”. For sure, there’s bantering of all sorts (mostly about boobs and dumbshit)… but there ain’t nobody in there that’s proud to talk like that; Unless they actually mean it and than they sound like a creepy fucking rapist, and nobody’s really having fun with the “jokes” anymore.
He’s a rapist. And by continuing to open his fat fucking mouth about how that’s “fine and whatever”, he brings down all men in the process. Fuck that dude, he ain’t allowed to be part of the “cool men’s club”, ya fucking weirdo. Fuck that dude
Rereading this thread, I just wanted you to know I don’t agree with your downvote. Guys admire boobs and stuff and that’s perfectly fine. Like you’re saying, there’s a line. I just wanted you to know that I appreciate you.
It’s not locker room talk, it’s rapist talk.
100%. Worse, he says ‘they’ let you do it. How many women has he done this to? Obviously more than E Jean. Looking at the hell she’s been put through since coming forward, it’s no wonder his other victims haven’t been willing to come forward.
Trump was a co-defendant along with Epstein in the rape case of a 13 year old girl who dropped the case when herself and her family were threatened with death.
He’s not just a rapist, but a serial rapist.
Statistically, probably dozens of women in his lifetime.
This, sadly, is nothing new. People like this have existed throughout all of human history… evil is deeply woven into the fabric of reality. Goodness is an outlier.
That’s the most important thing to remember about all this. They know he’s an abuser. They know he brags about it. They know all the despicable things he’s done.
And it’s either unimportant to them, or they’ve managed to become so psychologically twisted that they actually like it.
We have a society being dominated by deeply, deeply broken people right now.
A lot of it boils down to abortion. When you see abortion as baby murder, it would take an awful lot to offset that moral significance. In other words, many who support Trump wouldn’t exactly condone rape, corruption, etc, but they feel abortion is a much larger moral issue.
No, it’s not about abortion. They are just bad people.
I see where you are coming from but I have direct experience with a decent number of these people, including my mother. She is kind, empathetic and generous but extremely fearful (not just of out-group humans - literally any unknown).
She has trouble understanding cause and effect despite being of reasonable intelligence and competence otherwise. She has been in conservative news circles for 40+ years. As you might expect, she is a straight-R voter for the single reason that she can’t risk the lives of pre birth fetuses.
She has an extremely short attention span and short term memory problems. Despite being willing to discuss issues, abortion is such a foundational topic to her worldview there is exactly no chance that she could change her understanding of abortion or Republican voting habits.
Edit: just want to be clear here, I’m a pragmatic anarchist and despise her worldview. However, I feel like it’s important to truly understand how people outside your bubble perceive reality, for the specific purpose of neutralizing their terrible opinions
I’m sorry to break it to you, but if your mother is a trump supporter, she’s not a good person.
At this point you have to be mentally handicapped to not know the man is an absolute monster, and anyone who supports him is complicit in the monstrosities he commits.
A kind, empathetic person would never vote R.
I’m not claiming ‘morally good’ status for her and I personally avoid communicating with her any more than I absolutely have to. I just wanted to add perspective that may be useful for the discussion
Exactly as her preachers told her, I know what you mean. Funny enough, they seemed to neglect all the parts of the Bible that would provide context - e.g. verses saying how workers deserve their wages, how leaders should not accept bribes, and hold themselves to higher standards in other ways too, not just speak the words but truly show love to one another, which nowadays is dismissed by “that’s socialism!” (to give a crap about the poor).
And the biggest one of all: Christians are not to judge the world, but are to judge their own, in-group selection, with filtering rules in place. So e.g. if abortion was so bad, maybe excommunicate someone that got one, but don’t BAN it in the secular sense. Except they never bothered to do the former? If they truly meant it, then why act hypocritically, as Jesus commanded to be avoided at all costs btw, by allowing abortions in their own communities, but not in those “other” places? (performed by the poors) And likewise, why vote for rather than decry and remove Trump, or at least vote for him while also stating how what he did was BAD?
She TRUSTED her leaders to lead her correctly, and they let her down. The thing is, if she voted, then she also became a “leader”, and thus bears some responsibility. Perhaps truly responsible people should implement an IQ test or some such for voting, but as it is, she isn’t solely a victim. Which is one of the sadder parts of all of this. She just loves people, and tried to step up and help as best she could - the same as those who showed up on January 6 btw - and they made her complicit in their crimes against humanity. It’s becoming “brother against brother”, just like the Civil War and fight against actual slavery, all over again, with people in the vast middle ground caught up on either of the various sides, both of which are condoning literal genocide, but not equally bc one is advocating for it specifically here inside our borders.
Sorry if this is a bitter pill to swallow, but literally lives are on the line here, and based on your words I thought you might be receptive to wanting to know that. She’s a victim yes, but not only that, if her actions are leading to people’s literal, actual deaths.:-|
The basest crime here is how some fucking assholes in like 1953 realized they needed some way to protect their voting base from being logically annihilated any time issues are debated, and laid out the correct strategy to create a separate perception of reality via media control.
You can’t even try to discuss how “real Christians” should act because up is down and forward is backwards. It’s “tough love” to make kids go hungry, “protecting the family” to hate trans/queer folk. Given the common thread of short attention span, by the time you establish any sort of shared reality, attention span timer is up and you have to start over or give up.
If that let’s you disengage from the issue, then OK. But, alas, reality is more nuanced than that.
Yep, no one is allowed to draw conclusions or to accept the truth about the people around them. They have to blindly do and believe what you tell them to, otherwise they’re unempathetic or otherwise bad people.
Miss us with that shit
WTF are you talking about? I’m sorry, I can’t parse what you’ve said as a response to what I said. I do, however, hear that you are very angry. I’m sorry for your frustration and hope you are able to figure out some positive way to channel that energy. I agree, there’s a lot going on in the world that is super-upsetting. I just don’t think we’ll solve anything by dehumanizing broad swathes of the population. Sure, some people are assholes and they’re certainly over-represented among Trump supporters. But, for example, the other dude who responded about his mother. Someone like her is not such a black-and-white case. And, generally, more is accomplished by trying to understand the motivations of others than by dismissing them as bad people.
Edit: But, yes, some people are bad (Trump, for example). And, it is not a good use of time to try to understand their motivations. I guess it comes down to how and where to draw that boundary of empathy, so-to-speak.
What are you talking about? You assault us with a wall of text that means nothing because you obviously didn’t think about what I am saying.
Y’all have a serious problem accepting the fact that most people are, in fact, evil, and it shows.
It’s one thing to accept the fact that people are capable of terrible, evil things, and a totally different thing to encourage said behavior for political and financial gain.
Encouraging said behavior is evidence that humans are inherently evil, not a point against it.
“Capable” does not equal “inherently” - he didn’t say what you’re asserting.
A meaningless distinction because people show that they prefer evil all the time
It’s more important than ever to be precise in what you say and mean.
I offer no cover or comfort to traitors like Trump, but do understand that most people just want to live their lives in peace. Evil comes into it when some want more than what life has to offer, and will claw more at any expense.
That is not “people” in general. This is why precise word matter.
But most people are like that. Even by your definition of evil, most people are evil and that’s by virtue of the fact that life right now offers nothing to them, so them wanting anything makes them evil by your definition.
