• raunz@mander.xyzEnglish
    114·
    1 year ago

    Certainly not. They have the right to defend themselves at the very least

    • lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      17·
      1 year ago

      Who is ‘they’? Guess you don’t mean the native Russian speakers in Donbass who were told ok your political parties are now all illegal and you have to submit to Goldman Sachs and black rock corporate takeover of your resources?

      Seriously look at the polls of actual Ukranians. They’re not a monolith. Eye opening

      • raunz@mander.xyzEnglish
        113·
        1 year ago

        They as in Ukrainians, as is clear from the context.

        the native Russian speakers in Donbass who were told ok your political parties are now all illegal and you have to submit to Goldman Sachs and black rock corporate takeover of your resources?

        Citation needed

        Seriously look at the polls of actual Ukranians. They’re not a monolith. Eye opening

        I know polls. The ones I’ve seen suggest that the majority of Ukrainians want to fight until victory and no territorial concessions. Obviously you’ve seen diffent polls.

        Point still stands, THEY have a right to defend themselves.

          • raunz@mander.xyzEnglish
            111·
            1 year ago

            Citation provided

            So it seems like nobody was told to submit to Blackrock. Instead Zelenskyy asked for investment money and got it.

            And further about the idea it is a monolith here’s the polling data

            Have you actually read the article and linked poll? What’s the point you’re trying to make? Seems pretty unrelated to what I said before.

            So do Ukrainian citizens in Donbass who are being shelled by Azov Nazis have the right to defend themselves?

            Yes.

            • lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
              14·
              1 year ago

              So Zelinski makes all the leftist parties illegal and agrees to sell off all the public resources to Goldman Sachs and that’s a win. Hoo Ray. Goooo western corporate capitalism! Maybe they can end up like LA or Portland with a massive homeless population but lots of profit for the investors.

              The polls are interesting. They show Ukraine is not a monolith so when you say ‘they’ have a right to defend ‘themselves’ you need to define which ‘they’. Also no polling data at all from Crimea which is suddenly the new thing that needs to be ‘saved’ even tho most of those folks (90%) wanted to join Russia.

              In the end it doesn’t matter. It’s a war bet capitalists and everyone loses except Lockheed, US LNG exporters etc. It’s a big win for them.