(The “Windows” slices of the pies are entirely made up by Baldur’s Gate 3, which also runs well over Linux)
Is this Lemmy’s version of Reddit’s “pc vs console” I’ve been seeing this a lot lately. Why are you all so obsessed with who plays on what and what their opinions are?
Because more people playing on Linux means more games get published for Linux, which is an outcome we want.
Gonna have to get in line behind consoles first. PC gamers have been around for years, still at the bottom of the list when games get published. So…what’s the point in saying “play on Linux because games also work here” when publishers don’t care?
PC gamers have been around for years, still at the bottom of the list when games get published.
That’s because console manufacturers and game publishers team up to fuck consumers.
More gamers on Linux would force their hands.
Well, at least get partity with Windows. It’s unlikely to get Rockstar to launch on PC first, but it might mean more MP games work well on Linux.
All I want is for enough people to use Linux so devs care enough to remove roadblocks for Linux, such as anti-cheat. I don’t expect Linux to overtake Windows or anything, I just want my selection to not be limited just because I’m running Linux.
I decline the premise of the question. No one in the thread leading to your comment said anything remotely similar to “play on Linux because games also work here”.
More like play on Linux because windows gets more bugs,bloat, and built in spying every version and if I had the kind of money to afford the whole collection of apple products you inevitably end up with when chosing that path, I would have had kids instead and not been dumped by my ex for being born into a poor family and failing to gain anything from working other than worse health and not even breaking even financially. Linux is free too. Free is my favourite price.
Because we want things to be better for everyone.
I just want more games to work on Linux, and more marketshare gets devs interested. I don’t care what specific people use, just that enough use Linux to grow marketshare.
Use what you want, but I’ll encourage anyone who is interested to give it a try.
Huh. Yes, that’s exactly what it is.
Good shout.It’s like when you discuss music with a metalhead, it’s not that you just don’t feel anything when you listen to metal, and you don’t consider complex polyrhythms to just be objectively “better” because they’re harder to play. It’s that your music sucks ass and if it’s not the right kind of metal it also sucks ass.
Linux can play most games, but if you like playing games that Linux doesn’t play then those games suck and you shouldn’t want to play them. That’s their perspective.
Why do you want to play Fortnite or CoD warzone? Don’t you know kernel level anticheat is a rOoTkiT?!? (As if they could even define such a thing without resorting to just pointing at shit they don’t like and twisting the definition like a Baptist preacher trying to create theology.)
You can’t win with these types of people, Linux can play games! And if it can’t it’s YOUR FAULT FOR NOT EXCLUSIVELY PLAYING GAMES THAT LINUX CAN PLAY.
Nah, you’re getting too deep into your own feelings. Most threads I’ve seen where people start talking about Linux as a viable gaming option, it’s because some commenter or the OP mentions a problem they’re facing in Windows, which is directly solved or mitigated in Linux. Also, most of the time when people recommend Linux, it comes with warnings like “it has a learning curve” and “not everything works”. The hard line Linux-or-bust types are definitely not the majority.
Also, the very nature of Lemmy means the userbase probably skews towards more techy types who have been using Linux in their professional lives for years and have naturally come to harbor positive feelings for it. That drives the recommendation as well as anything else.
Whatever you say, I’ve literally had people ask me “why do you play insert game here?” When I tell them why I haven’t completely gotten off windows. It’s happened multiple times. I’m not getting in my feelings, some of you guys are just insufferable.
I love Fedora on my old gaming laptop and arch/SteamOS kicks ass on deck, but I’m not giving up my main game that I play for socializing with my friends just because the FOSS community assigns themselves moral superiority for not being on Windows.
I love Linux but it really does need more VR support.
And racing sims. I was talking to someone on Bluesky and they said the lack of racing sim gear support is holding them back.
That’s the case for me, too.
Yup. I guess the gist of it is, Linux is great for just general gaming, but if you’ve got something specific, it’s just not there yet. (I see a bit about VR too)
I just make do with running both. Of course would prefer to have everything on Linux, though.
+1 on sims, with so many different peripherals as well as third party software like simhub, even if a base game works on Linux, it effectively doesn’t since there is so much integration needed
Yeah, I’d love to get a VR headset, but there just aren’t even games to play on Linux, and the headsets with good Linux support are either expensive or hard to find.
Hopefully that improves, I imagine it’s stopping people from switching to Linux.
Even the Index, Valve’s own headset has had broken functionality for years with no fixes in sight. Valve refuses to fix big stuff like the cameras, base stations not turning on, or even automatic audio switching.
Not to mention steamvr reprojection is completely broken.
Huh, that’s too bad. I guess I’ll keep waiting then…
I’d really love a wireless VR headset that is just a display with inside out tracking and streams from your PC.
There’s really no reason to have built-in computation unless it’s a standalone device and it just leads to a bulky and heavy device that still has a short battery life.
Yeah, I just keep a windows partition for VR. In all of my experience with VR on Linux, it has been terrible and buggy which is just intolerable. I gotta be honest, its not smooth sailing on windows either, steam vr has some bugs they haven’t fixed for years, so combining that with Linux just is not good.
For me, I have been dual booting, but I have also had my linux set up for a few months now and was using it exclusively until i got my quest 3.
I can definitely see the allure of just sticking to windows if one plays pcvr exclusively or if one just hasn’t taken the plunge into linux yet.
I really do hope that support comes. Either officially or unofficially by a linux savant who knows this stuff.
Yup. One by one the papercuts are getting resolved, so hopefully it’s just a matter of time before VR support gets better. Ideally Valve gets interested again and makes another push for Linux VR (maybe some tie-in with the Deck?), otherwise we may be waiting a while.
There are still a lot of proton games where I encounter the weirdest bugs and when I report those the game devs don’t do anything about it and say it’s a proton/linux issue what they don’t support. For some games, especially VR, windows is mandatory.
You should report the bugs to the proton devs, not the game dev.
I have a WMR headset, am still on a dual-boot of Pop!_OS and Windows 10 with my gaming pc. I have an Nvidia RTX 3080 and don’t want to worry about compatibility with kernel so Pop!_OS fixes that for me. I also love window tiling, which it does pretty well (not as good as Sway and Hyprland but close enough).
At this point, I can do everything on Linux except for 1 thing: Use my HP Reverb VR headset. It’s a Windows (WMR) headset and doesn’t work on Linux. But it is essential for my gaming, as about 80% of my gaming time is spent flying aircraft and helicopters in DCS: World in VR. I got a whole simpit setup with crazy good stick, pedals and throttle and everything.
I am really hoping to switch the headset out for a SteamVR-native headset and ditch Windows before Windows 10 support ends in 2025. First step is to install DCS on Linux and start flying it outside VR to help find bugs and assess when it is good enough to switch VR headsets.
And yes, I did consider upgrading to an AMD card for the improved Linux performance but the RX 7900 XT didn’t do DCS in VR (on Windows) well, even after the big driver update this Summer that was supposed to fix the stutters.
if you are having weird bugs when playing via Proton, report the issue on the Proton GitHub page. If it’s a graphical glitch you can also report it to proton-vkd3d or DXVK depending on which one is being used by the game. If unsure just report it only to Proton.
The Proton developers and the developers of associated projects (DXVK, vkd3d, etc) will often add workarounds into the various parts of the Proton platform to get a game to work correctly, even if the problem you are seeing is a game bug or driver bug.
I’m at 50 / 50. Went 100% Linux 6 months ago and never looked back. Didn’t even bother with dual booting, it’s all in or nothing.
One of us! One of us!
Windows is an abomination.
I won’t claim that it’s all flawless, because it really isn’t sometimes, but a lot of things just work. Both new games, and old ones, that don’t even work on windows to begin with.
My biggest two showstoppers are games like Destiny, and VR titles, that unfortunately are completely unplayable because I own a Rift S.
I still play practically everything else on Linux, and don’t see any reason to not to. I already do everything else on this os, so why would I switch
There’s a bunch of other things, like HDR; I don’t have a HDR monitor so I can’t say what people are missing, but I tried to mess with it in my pet-project game engine and
vkSetHdrMetadataEXTjust does not exist at all, and I don’t know what library or Vulkan layer could provide it.It matches with what I’ve heard around, although apparently KDE supports it now?
KDE support requires plasma 6 which is in alpha.
I’m playing Cyberpunk2077 with HDR on my Steamdeck so support is there.
Linux Gamers - “Sure am stoked that gaming on Linux has gotten so good, finally don’t feel like I need to keep Windows”
Randos - “Wow, such copium! It didnt work for my specific use case! Linux users are so obnoxious!”
If your quote was the title of this post then the “randos” wouldn’t show up. But it’s not. 🤷
Idk man, I get how you could read the title as confrontational, but every pro Linux post has these “randos”. Haters gonna hate. 🤷♂️
100% penguin
I kind of dig Linux Os, I find Linux users insufferable.
As a fellow Linux user I entirely agree. I stay off the forums as much as possible. My latest crime was uploading a tutorial on how to update the bios on certain laptop models. Got fucking roasted, even on lemmy.
For some reason Linux forums are like stack exchange; an extremely toxic neckbeard pissing match.
Oh shit, that sounds extremely helpful, why did they roast you?
I’ve been using Linux since Ubuntu 8.10 iirc, and I’m still a fucking moron at dealing with Linux so I’m always thankful for people like you.
I might have been very lucky. I’ve barely seen anything negative than when people post factually incorrect or potentially dangerous/bricking stuff.
Though, I do keep a healthy distance from the Ubuntu and Arch forums.
Eh, you’ll get the worse of any userbase if you go to a community specifically for that OS. Go to PC Master race or whatever to see the opposite problem.
I’ve been on Linux exclusively for something like 15 years, but I almost never bring it up. In fact, I don’t even mention my distro of choice unless it’s directly relevant, and if asked I recommend something different (I recommend Mint Debian edition because I’ve heard it’s very user friendly).
I also find many people in communities like this insufferable as well, so I spend my time trying to tone them down a bit with comments like “Linux isn’t for everyone, but it’ll always be there if you decide to give it another try.” I use Linux because it works better for me than Windows, yet many here make it a religion or something. It’s kinda weird.
Just Linux for me…I haven’t used windows since windows 7. I’m probably going to sell my steam deck though because it mostly just sits in the case on top of my computer (where I usually play since my computer is plugged into my 50 inch bedroom TV. But the stream deck is nice and fun to play with.
I’m the opposite, my computer is in the basement and my Steam Deck is next to my bed, so ~75% of my playtime is on the Deck.
It’s a cool device, but it’s not for everyone.
I didn’t get the “You played on more than 1 device”. Guess it has been 100% Linux
Note did I, so I assumed that was the case as well. I only have my Linux desktop with Steam.
Funny, I’ve actually never played BG3 on Windows. It’s always been Proton. It works flawlessly.
Mine has some windows time from testing someone’s computer after reinstalling.
I think it’s interesting most of your play time is on the Steam Deck, but you play a bunch of games on Linux. Are you just testing settings then?
I think it’s a lot of the same game on both, but some I only played on the deck. Some I switched back to desktop for sections where inconsistent frame rate was wrecking me like GoW Valkyries. Dave the diver was entirely deck. Also have a laptop but vulkan support is incomplete on haswell so some games were launched and crashed if they didn’t have opengl.
What cope. I still run into countless compatibility issues which bars Linux from daily use for me. Stop trying to downplay proton compatibility, it just makes your arguments appear disingenuous.
I would fully switch over to Linux in a heartbeat if there was no compatibility problems.
Even if it had full comparability, you won’t have switched to linux. You don’t need reasons to do it, except your own wish
Eh, works fine for me. I have a lot of games to choose from, so I’m really not lacking on selection.
That said, I totally get it if it doesn’t work for the things you need. Use what works. Linux works better for me than Windows, so it’s what I use.
Which games? I don’t think I’ve ever encountered a game that didn’t run with Proton out of the box.
first, file a report. so devs are aware of your problem.
second, i feel you. i’m in the same situation. if i switch to linux right now, my stream deck will lose features and i probably on’t be able to use my steering wheel anymore. plus i really struggled to install fusion360.
Some game updates just break proton compatibility.
Next year should be 100% Linux for me. Steam is dropping support for Windows 7 at the end of this year, and I don’t have any other newer Windows PC to run Steam on.
Nor do you want them. Windows 10 was pretty amazing when it was released, but now it’s essentially just adware and spyware. They’ve added no new features for the benefit of the consumer, and have added thousands of changes for their snooping and ad-serving.
I was very confused because this chart didn’t show up for me… then I realized that I’m 100% Linux and showing it would’ve been pointless.
Still, I’m very proud of it. Barring some games with arbitrary rootkit restrictions (suck my ass, Tim) and Adobe products (but Adobe can burn and die, so whatever), I’ve been able to completely transition to Linux.
Most adobe things should work in Wine, no? At least they did a few years ago
They don’t anymore unfortunately. The best solution I’ve seen is using winapps for Linux, but even that relies on a Windows VM. Worth looking into though still imo, it’s how I use the latest version of Excel for my work.
winapps
Thanks for the tip. I can finally run Internet Explorer seamlessly on my Linux system.
The last time I tried, most applications started and didn’t crash, but were mostly unusable. GPU acceleration was also right out.
