We’ve known for years that the owner is a lying, creepy, out of touch dipshit and that it’s a very flawed car and the company will cut costs to save money on safety items, every time.
Electric vehicles with drive assist are awesome and are the future, but there are alternatives, especially if you have money, which a lot of Tesla customers do. And they’re not particularly well built; how many of these do you think will be on the road 20 years from now? And now we’ve seen how Elaine runs their companies, why the hell would anybody put their trust in their products?
If you’ve bought a Tesla in the last five or so years, you’re a damn goober in my eyes. That’s my hot take, prepared for being called poor and other sodium, tear filled comments from fools whose opinions don’t matter. You are the hardcore, foaming at the mouth Segway fan from the 2000s, have at me lol.
Update: The teary eyed, sweaty fingered responses to this are predictably hilarious. I’ve been called a guy that eats 4 pizzas a week in another old thread because of this, a cunt, a tool, a douche, a couple people spent their energy to tell me they don’t understand me spending my energy posting this, some people are telling me something about Tesla or Elaine living in my head rent free. All genuinely pathetic responses, so GG lol. Cheers.
other sodium, tear filled comments from fools whose opinions don’t matter.
You know you can post an unpopular opinion without being a completely unlikable cunt, right?
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That’s probably because OP is posting a popular opinion in an unpopular way.
More likely OP is in fact, an absolute douche.
I don’t see how that conflicts with what I said.
Twist: OP owns a Tesla.
This is just his way of coping with the self-hate.
It’s as if OP posted two unpopular opinions.
I mean is “Elon bad and anything related also bad” even unpopular
I struggled with this for a long time on that other site. I’m trying to do things differently here.
I had a blanket “Cool guys don’t look back at explosions” policy to posting on pretty much every other site. I decided to turn over a new leaf on the Fediverse, and try not to post anything I don’t actually want a reply to. It does tend to gentle you down a bit. Also, I noticed other people were at least giving themselves a chance to form friendships that way, so yeah, new deal.
The thing that really sucks about social media is how many people are just using you as a vent pillow to scream into. It’s amazing that so many people are using so many websites that pretty much amount to somebody else’s emotional punching bag.
Wait, how do you form a friendship on sites like this? Best I’ve had are brief friendly interactions and then I forget their username unless it’s one of the novelty accounts, in which case “interactions” feel more like celebrity appearances or like a performance than anything else.
My dude I do not even know. I have managed to be around some people who aren’t like me and gathered the strong impression that people were using social media like it was social, and not anti-social, which I am fluent in. So now I am on a brand-new policy, in the dark and stumbling around. All I can tell you is that the other people are using this thing to meet each other and exchange phone numbers eventually like actual friends. Which makes fuckin sense. If you reply back to other people like you are texting, it changes the nature of the thing. We must both be at peace with letting the thread drop, tho.
I must remind you that the normy world has been using social media to find other people to have sex with for a while, basically pull up the app, swipe swipe swipe until you find a friend for the night and put the phone away, instead of letting the demon consume the next 4 hours somehow. There’s a whole nother paradigm. It seems more entertaining.
But yeah, I think you just treat threads like chats, be cool, and see what happens eventually.
You just avoid that Reddit thing where you come in with your 1500 word truth dunk, that ain’t it.
Yeah it’s crazy to me that people can find a sexual partner on a site like Reddit (or are you just talking about tinder and apps like that?). Meanwhile I’m here avoiding even sharing my province, though I was open about being in Canada. Probably doesn’t help that my desire to be social itself waxes and wanes.
No, I do mean sites like Reddit. The advanced users are making everything act like a dating site when they need it to, because things like tinder don’t work for everyone, so it’s double crazy that they’re making Reddit work for that.
What I was truly referring to is Discord, and all those little communities in there, lots of people making their connections, not just sex, but international friend networking. Snapchat, group chats, all that, they’re busy doing the same, there. Meanwhile, I live as a ghost, interacting with dozens of people a day online, thousands over the years, with nothing much to show for it.
Even out in the real world I’m the kinda guy who can work some place for two years and leave with no new numbers in my phone. It does keep me out of the drama, but I don’t feel I’m striking a balance, either.
So yeah, I wish I knew.
Ooooh discord makes a lot of sense. It’s just the modern version of chat rooms which is where people were hooking up long before tinder was a thing and “a/s/l?” was one of the most common greetings between people just meeting for the first time.
I think Lemmy will be a bit like that too, but I can see it happen for example smaller instances where you interact with the same users over and over on the local communities, more than on the other site.
Maybe I should get in the habit of looking at user names lol. I usually just think of everyone on here as anonymous.
I’m proud of you trying to better yourself.
Yeah, Digg wasn’t great
Is this even an unpopular opinion? Feels like everything musk touches is anathema nowadays, at least here on Lemmy.
I mean being unlikeable is unpopular so… it fits lol
What’s immortality gotta do with all this
Nah, he is just a troll and attention lover.
As a BMW driver, I am pleased that there is a new asshole driver car
I can write from a Company perspective with multiple EVs. All Tesla models except X. We have VW Golf E, IDs, Mercedes EQS, E-Tron, Polestar and some mercedes E-vans. I’ve driven all of them…long range, short range, multiple months. And in the price range of 45-55k€ nothing beats The Model Y (2022). Its a great car. Tesla has made a great leap in quality from 2020 to 2022. We have Model 3s from different years, and the difference is huge. The recent ones are stellar for their price…no comparison with anything else on the market. This will certainly change quickly in the next years. The supercharger grid is also the single best feature.
Also…I can distinguish between a car and a delusional apartheid willy wonka.
The Model Y (2022). Its a great car. Tesla has made a great leap in quality from 2020 to 2022. We have Model 3s from different years, and the difference is huge.
And let me say as someone who has been driven in a plethora of Teslas as Uber/Lyft vehicles… they have not lol. Squeaks and rattles on brand new 2022-2023 cars is just embarrassing. Trim pieces falling off is just pathetic.
Maybe they should use some of their “industry leading margins” to invest in a QA team because as it stands there is no QA at that company.
Could be dependant where they’re manufactured. We’ve about ten 3/Ys; non squeaks or rattles to my knowledge. I’ve had a Model S couple years ago (pre Model 3 era) liked the car, but the quality wasn’t there for the price. Had a Volco XC90 before that. Switched to a Model 3 for about 1-2 years, (tax reasons) - the build quality was bad…everything felt really cheap. After that We’ve got some of the first Model Ys from the German factory. (You get some tax incentives in Germany when your new EV is below 60k€). We’ve also got some 3s. The build quality difference was staggering. I still miss my Volvo…but the Model Y is close second. Just two days ago I’ve driven over 1000km across Germany…no squeaking. ;)
Just the damn freezing door handles in winter drove me crazy…but now you can pop the doors open via app.
The supercharger grid is going away as an advantage. Also, if you bought last year, a Model Y was starting at $67,000. I almost bought one, and I’m so, so, so glad that I didn’t.
It was about 58.500€ for long range dual drive, and as a business you got some incentives. And yeah…the advantages are slowly going away…but they are still there. Most of the time the supercharger are cheaper (like 0.34€/kW at a SC and 0.69€/kW at aral pulse or ionity.) And better positioned.
So very helpful…
Just hope your company doesn’t cross Elon Musk or Tesla, because then their Tesla cars could suddenly stop working. They have done it before, I’ve never heard another company do that.
Also…I can distinguish between a car and a delusional apartheid willy wonka.
Except you can’t really, because there are many other issues than how pleasent the car is to drive. Tesla is infamous for their monopoly repair service, where a tiny valve can cost the owner an entire new battery! There are so many documented cases that Tesla repair is outrageous, that that alone is cause to never buy a Tesla.
Anyone who says they can buy a Tesla and sleep well at night because they don’t give a shit about Elon Musk are the same people still listening to R Kelly.
If liking the CEO is a prerequisite for buying the companies products I’d better start learning how to live off the land
Not a bad idea. We should all do that. Seriously.
The billionaires want us to fight each other, don’t fall for this trap.
I’ve driven probably close to a hundred different Teslas and nearly every electric car currently on the market over my career working with cars, and I completely agree with this take even when you remove Elongated Muskrat and the semi-functional, utterly misrepresented Autopilot entirely from the equation. Sure, a Tesla (in proper working order) feels really good to drive, but practically every other electric car on the market (outliers being the Leaf and the Bolt) are working as hard as they can to capture that same experience and most are doing a really good job if not exceeding that standard. The only differences are that most other manufacturers have what I have to assume is a massively more robust design and engineering team, better quality control, and generally decades upon decades more experience in designing cars in general, and not taking advantage of that as a buyer is a pretty dumb move, especially when you start researching the myriad issues with Teslas. Sure, Tesla may have kickstarted the electric car market, but with all the current, similarly priced options on the market, buying a Tesla is purely for the status-symbol optics or because you actually buy into Elon’s BS, which is its own can of worms.
If you were to recommend an EV today based on your experience, which one would you suggest and why?
Well, it depends pretty heavily on price point. Assuming you’re looking at the middle-to-slightly-upper end EV market and have a Tesla Model 3 on your list, I’d suggest the Mustang Mach-E. Of the upper scale EVs I’ve driven, it’s honestly surprising how good this thing feels despite all the mental gymnastics involved in it being called a “Mustang.” Ford has honestly been killing it with their line of EV offerings, especially the interiors and controls. It’s so far one of the only ones I’ve driven where I’ve said I’d own one (if I could afford it.)
On the less expensive side of things, the Chevrolet Bolt kind of surprised me with how solid it felt as well. They’re way cheap even in comparison to even the Nissan Leaf (I have not driven a current gen Leaf but the older generation were AWFUL) and from what I’ve seen from the now dead Volt (I know, not an EV but the same general idea) Chevy seems to skew towards well-thought out, overengineered products in this category, unlike some of their traditional offerings. Side note: I think the issue with them catching fire is overblown and not unique to Chevy - it’s more a limitation of current battery tech and Ford, Tesla, and practically everyone else has had issues here too.
Kia’s EV6 and Hyundai’s Ioniq 5 also seem surprisingly nice, although they’re not exactly what I’d consider cheap. I can’t comment much more on them though because while I’ve been around them, I haven’t had the chance to really drive one yet, but I have driven a slightly older Kia Soul EV (not currently sold new in the States) and was blown away at how nicely appointed they were and how solid they felt for a subcompact, so I have to assume it’s an even better experience than that.
If you can afford it, the Mercedes EQE is awesome, but it’s a sedan so cargo space is limited. I don’t know about the SUV version. I prefer wagons to SUVs because they’re more practical. More space and better comfort for same money usually, as SUVs have bigger profit margins. There’s also a Shooting Brake version coming possibly, but it looks a bit weird and it’s still 2 years out.
The Ioniq 5 wasn’t very nice compared to the ‘03 Mercedes I owned while I test drove it, I was disappointed with its’ ride quality, but as a vehicle for someone who’s not very demanding in that department, it seemed great.
Avoid the hell out of the Skoda Enyaq. Not comfortable, not cheap, not fast. Idk if it does anything well. I suppose there was decent legroom in both front and back seats.
The upcoming Volvo EX30 will be super fast for its price if you’re into that sorta thing, but also super minimalistic, and touch-screen based (newer Mercedes sadly have the same problem). Let me adjust the climate settings with physical switches!
Recommend an EV today in NA? It depends on your use-case. Do you ever want to drive cross country in any meaningful amount of time? Your answer is unfortunately Tesla because of their vast charging infrastructure.
Do you want a city driving and will reserve your cross country driving to a gas powered vehicle? Just about any other EV would be better.
I’m probably not as experienced with electric cars as OP sounds to be, but I really enjoy driving the VW ID3 whenever I get to rent one. It’s compact, drives sporty and has a good interior IMO.
If the Bolt/EUV fits your use case it is an unmatched value. I love mine so much. I hope they make an Ultium version by the time I’m ready for a new car.
Also work with cars and absolutely agree. Tesla may have kick-started the market but as a rule in general you’re usually better off going with the engineers that have more experience under their belt. The exceptions being if the company is cutting corners to save money which Tesla is supposedly doing anyway so yeah, I’d go with the other guys.
I hate Musk with a white hot intensity but I want Tesla to succeed. I think it’s important to stop burning oil, and I think the traditional car industry would drop EV production like a hot potato if the Tesla threat went away. I drive a Ford PHEV and I have a short commute so I buy gas a couple times a year. It was the better option for me, but I want people to keep buying teslas. So, they’re not tools, they’re smart, good-looking, and wonderful dancers.
Elaine
Gender shaming? What the fuck does your projected gender issues have to do with anything?
Elon Musk is a vocal transphobe. So misgendering him is meant to insult him. Even though he will never read this thread.
Yea somehow stooping to his level diminishes the impact of this point.
It’s definitely unnecessary. Kind of like people who think it’s hilarious to write “tRump”.
“tRump”
Don’t need to do anything with that name when it’s long been a euphemism for farting in my country
In North America, it’s the equivalent of saying “haha it sort of looks like his name is Butt” Very high-brow humor.
Misgendering a transphobe is still transphobic. It’s still a big stinking “fuck you” to a bunch of people walking by who have nothing to do with the bug up OP’s ass.
Look, you wouldn’t call him a “fag” because he’s homophobic, right??
No one is defending the language, just explaining why they’re using it. Read this thread. We’ve moved on.
Pardon me for replying to what is said to me. Please, by all means, move on, but I have seen enough of this dumpster fire of a thread.
Electric vehicles with drive assist are awesome and are the future
If you mean future as in save the environment, then I disagree. Individual transport as a mainstream mean of transportation is the problem. What we need to save ourselves is to replace 95% of cars with public transports and bicycles, and then the 5% remaining can be EVs if you want. The reality of EVs is they shift the carbon footprint from driving to manufacturing, and the emission from local to the power plants (depending on the production means where you live), but the total reduction is not nearly enough.
Also, many developed countries tout EVs as “AMAZING” for the environment. Meanwhile that is solely because none of the lithium mining and processing occurs in their nice countries. While they get their nice “green” batteries, China and South American countries destroy their environment strip mining and processing lithium ore. That shit is TERRIBLE for the environment, and there is no economic incentive to clean up the process. The news, media, politicians, CEOs, etc. never speak about this because it paints the reality of the picture. You’re shifting the carbon footprint to something else, not really even reducing it.
I actually am very interested in the new solid state batteries Toyota is talking about. Using polymer based batteries can allow for longer lasting, less impactful energy storage to help make electric/H-fuel cell cars genuinely green/a great step from combustion vehicles
Even if EV’s did reduce the world’s carbon footprint, it still would not have that big an effect overall
One step at a time, I guess.
But also get real that you aren’t going to cut fuel consumption if you continue to create a system that regularly sees 4 seater 3 ton machines, which require paved roads, used to move a single person around. That society isn’t making it to the future. it can change or go extinct.
I know but even if everybody begins to approach it with common sense rather than political posturing, we are probably going to run out of time. I’m in my 60s and don’t have any kids or grandkids but I still feel pretty badly for future generations.
Exactly. It will take a concerted effort by essentially everyone on the planet to drive ICEs less, eat less meat, air condition their home to less extreme temperatures, buy fewer electronic devices, and buy fewer products packaged in plastics in order to drive down carbon emissions.
To me it seems that governments insentivizing for EVs and photo-voltaic purchases, is plain and simple green washing. It is pushing the responsibility on the shoulders of citizens (you should recycle, you should save water, you should produce your own green energy) instead of doing meaningful reforms and public investments that could have a real impact.
There really is some major gaslighting going on here and a lot of people don’t even see it.
Heat pumps should be required for all new buildings. With 300-500% efficiency and no CO2 make it a no brainer. FYI: yes the heat AND cool. Yes they work at -15 C (some at -25 C)
I’ve received numerous reports on this post now, and I’m doing my best to leave it up. Please refrain from personally insulting people here (i.e. the post title and update). Still leaving it up for now.
You have a problem with Tesla’s boss, not with Tesla.
I don’t know a ton of Tesla owners, but the ones I do know aren’t “Tesla Bros” by any stretch. Half of them didn’t even know who Elon was and once I explained the response was “oh that guy owns Tesla? I didn’t know that”.
I think the average population just isn’t that in the loop sadly.
That’s why I still want my Nissan Leaf instead of a Tesla
I recently got a used low-mileage Nissan Leaf and it’s been fantastic! I didn’t realize it was my dream car til I had it
I very recently lost my 11-bar gen1 leaf when I got rear-ended. It had 110k km on it and I really loved it. Once insurance made me the boy-out offer I Immediately went to check out the newer leaf expecting more of what I lost, and I’m sorry to say that I really really didn’t like the gen2 leaf. It was gutless and felt like the suspension was made of marshmallows… Yes it was bigger, but it lost all the magic the first gen had and became a floaty family sedan that happened to be electric.
I oped for a VW e-golf instead and it’s been amazing!!That’s a shame to hear, I never test drove one of the newer leaf models since we had decided on a 2016-2017 leaf and ended up getting one. I’m hoping mine lasts a long time, the e-golf looks great too!
I’ve had mine for 5 years. I wanted an EV and at that time (in the US) there really was no option even remotely close with the combination of range, charging convenience and technology.
Elons downfall sometimes makes me slightly embarrassed to be associated to it in any way, but its still a great car, not perfect but great. 5 years and I’ve had to replace a set of tires, wiper blades and fluid, and 2 sets of cabin air filters. That’s it.
Its popular to hate on Elon and its rightly deserved but come the fuck on.
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Tesla pulled a hattrick by making people who couldnt give a shit about the environment want to buy an EV, and they did that by making the car pure fun.
With all the major brands announcing support for the NACS connector I will be keeping Rivian in my sites in a few years. If they can get the price right for their next generation, lower cost models they could be a compelling package.
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I was living in Los Angeles at the start of the pandemic. I was really enjoying my $0.11/Kw charging when gas was approaching $6-7/Gallon.
For most drivers, the math can make a lot of sense.
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@feld @SlicerDicer @Redonkulation This part of the Bay Area, yeah.
How many miles have you driven? Time is irrelevant if you’ve only driven 10k miles in 5 years. I know Teslas chew through tires and the 1 set comment is misleading.
The average american drives 10k miles per year.
Good point. My car has 55K miles. Recommended lifespan for the factory tires being 30K, I was dumb and ran the original tires till 34K miles.
Just curious, did you have to replace them at 30k even if they were fine treadwise?
They where pretty toast at that point. they wore down pretty evenly, only rotated once.
4 new OEM tires at a tesla service center hit me for about $1250.
I’ve got 92k miles on mine but my experience mirrors @[email protected]. On my 3rd set of tires
Teslas build quality has been hit or miss since they came on the market.
I will always respect them for showing people that electric cars can be viable and fun. But nowadays, I would never bring myself to buy one knowing that some of the profit is going towards that fucking imbicile who owns twitter.
While I’m not looking to get a new car rn. Down the road I’d like to consider something like a Toyota BZ4X. The first gen has a few issues that need to be ironed out. But a few years from now, I reckon itl be a great option
That or something like it from Honda. Those two brands are who I trust most in terms of reliablity and build quality if I’m going to make an investment in a new kind of car, I want it to be them.
Hyundai and Toyota aren’t investing in EVs like they should. Kia and Hyundai are way ahead. The Hyundai Ioniq 5 is what the BZ4X hopes it will be in 4 years. The Hyundai has a more advanced battery and better overall performance, and it looks better.
Did they do that though? Did they show they were viable and fun? Or is Elon Musk just better at social media than General Motors?
Kias are good, best BMS according to me
