Important to keep in mind that this is not an independent, organic entity that grew from local sources. To the extent that it is composed of people from the area, those people have been forced to assimilate to Zionist/anti-Arab/imperialist/colonialist values (e.g. Arabic Jews, disposessed of their heritage essentially) or are considered colonial subjects and second class citizens, if even that (the Palestinians).

It may seem paradoxical, but hating on Israel in the conventional sense (“Why are we helping them? Boo Netanyahu bad”) ends up legitimizing it – as an unethical, immoral actor, sure, but a legitimite actor nonetheless, with the implication that they “should do better”. It is essentially lamenting the fact that a murderer is cursing out the victim while killing him, as if doing it politely would make it palatable somehow. It completely misses the point.

It is a violent settler colony, and its establishment and existence is the work of, and to the benefit of, Western Imperialism.

Those who support Israel’s actions in Gaza are the worst people on earth, but at least their position has some kind of integrity. They’re not contradicting themselves by pretending to oppose what they’re actually fine with. They’re not tearing themselves in half trying to straddle two completely incompatible positions while smiling for the camera and pretending it doesn’t hurt. They’re not posturing as compassionate anti-imperialists while serving the evil empire

Same sentiment as Malcolm X and many others have expressed. With the wolf, you at least know where he stands. The sneaky lib fox will tell you (and itself) what you need to hear and before you know it, it’s all but eaten you alive.

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…right. I understand the concept, but cheers. I fail to see how it applies here. To a post criticising a socialist group for being undercover libs, the oppest of ops lol. A post you submitted mind. Come on.

Hmm. You gotta expain this one to me. Calling out these bozos (it’s your post tho?) will ruin which community?

No need when they put the jackets on by themselves, knowingly or not.

People who get rhetorically close but don’t cross were never going to in the first place.

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Imagine if Kubrick made his Aryan papers. Instead we get the hack ass lib fantasy Schindler’s list drivel. Spielberg is so awful

I guess since they’re federated you can comment across with the same account no? Is it better conduct to comment in a given instance with an account from that instance? Edit: he he, just noticed your account is from lemmy.ml so

Also for subscribing to specifics subs.

But yeah, multiple accounts is definitely an option.

Another guy whow as alive until Feb 1965 said that as well. His autobiography helped wake me up. It’s all on repeat until enough people break through. I’ll admit I was not as quick to realize, though. Denial and self preservation. Reality is hard to swallow.

An issue with this kind of “resistance” is that it’s already accounted for and baked into the system. “International ostracism” for them means they didn’t get to complete their “normalization” with the Gulf compradors as quickly and smoothly as planned, thus legitimizing them, and that westoid libs struggle to loudly maintain and defend their dissonant view of the Zionist entity as a victim in the face of such plain view advertisement to the contrary. They are essentially lamenting the lack of subtelty in commiting ethnically cleansing settler colonialism. Not the underlying issues, which will never be confronted under the worldview that causes them in the first place. The German libs are especially hilarious, trying to flip the script and pin Euro anti-Jewish sentiment on the muslim migrants and supporters of Palestine while gearing up to start lebensrauming on them using the same logic as before, a record on repeat but in complete denial about both what’s playing and the fact that it’s the same damn track over and over. Round and around it goes, crazy tribal self deception.

Late reply, didn’t see.

Something to keep in mind is that a heavily externalized idea of God is a bit simpleminded. We are not owed anything.

The theist/nontheist discussion is a dualistic one. While dialectics as a method and process is sound, the idea is ultimately to unify opposites, not pick one or define yourself in opposition to one.

It’s possible to take the very valid misgivings you have and turn them into questions rather than using them as conclusions.

When you look at the history of the occident, it is built on things that weren’t organically grown by its people, and the Abrahamic tradition, as well as the Greek, was adapted in a strange way to try to claim it – The actual producing tradition is foreign to it, and so you see that even foundational, culture defining output like Dante’s Divine Comedy was essentially lifted from Ibn Arabi & Co. The conceptions that informed this appropriation and further developed from it can easily color your thinking and put a veil over your eyes when you are forced to live among its proponents.

Keep in mind that Islamic Theology is not as literal minded as the western approach. Basic things like God not being an external entity as such, and certainly not a man-like one, and man is not created in God’s image and so on. It’s subtle, as are its interpretations, because it (and its interpreters) belongs to a long tradition. Ditto for Orthodox Christianity.

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