And PlayStation!

You can put almost anything on your dick, its the secret the elite don’t want you to know about!

you said that if they lowered their fee developers and publishers would make their games lower pricing. They dotn do that on epic which charges less than half of what steam charges. How is that wrong?

Nope your opinion can be whatever you want it to be but why not hold the same opinion for the whole industry standard instead of one storefront that’s a part of it? Why single one out and ignore the rest?

Again I notice you didn’t say anything about how Epic charges less than half the fees any of the others do and yet the games are magically the same price as they are everywhere else. Is that not evidence that you’re wrong with your statement that lowering the fee that everyone else that makes money uses isn’t going to make the games cheaper? I mean bro the evidence is right there.

And yes you can report whatever you want I wouldn’t expect anything less from someone who’d doesn’t even understand how taxes on a storefront checkout work and who can’t read something someone says without completely twisting it into something they didn’t say like saying I said not to argue and saying I said to shut up which never happened.

You seem like the type of reactionary person that would do that when proved wrong. I’m not gonna cry about it. No where in any of my comments did I attack you, simply said your arguments are shit and they are.

I agree with you its wasteful and I personally would never own one but it sounds like the dude actually likes the whole sea scene and scuba dives and stuff like that a lot.

A quote from him about it: “This isn’t about buying a yacht company. It’s about plugging into a tribe of builders, dreamers, sailors, creatives and engineers—and seeing what kind of future they can shape when no one’s holding them back. This isn’t a transaction. It’s ignition.”

So it really just sounds like he bought a company with a hobby he’s interested in to make more money and be a part of the hands on experience with it. That’s the same thing he did when he made Steam except he didn’t buy it he made it.

I still think yachts are insane and some absolute let them eat cake tier of rich bullshit but I don’t hate the guy for buying a company he seems interested in.

I’m not sucking his dick or anything but the dude got rich by being the least shit bag to the paying customers of his service. That’s more than I can say about almost every single other CEO alive at this point. So fuck it, let him have the yachts I guess.

Ok I looked back at my comments and never did say that. Can you point out where I did?

And yes, 30% is what every competitor in that market that is making money charges which is why I say its strange and unwarranted that you only call Steam out for this. This is an industry standard.

And these publishers and developers can set the price to whatever they want. They could do 30% over the fees on just the steam store and less on other platforms like itch.io if they wanted to. They don’t owe anything to steam and they don’t have to use it, GOG, PlayStation or Xbox if they don’t want to. They could host and do all the payment processing on their own shiny website. There’s a reason they don’t do that.

You care that they get charged an industry standard fee but font care about how much exposure their games get? You made an argument like you cared about games and their developers/publishers? Is that not the case? If you’re “just a consumer” why do you care about the fee the game developers are being charged on (every, BTW) store front in the first place?

Ever notice how Epic charges half the fees any others do (and has lost $450million USD so far by doing that) and the price for the games is the same as on other platforms? You’re misinformed if you think that they wouldn’t do the same on Steam or Xbox or PlayStation if they lowered fees. There’s your evidence right there.

Also, you’re an adult right? You should probably stay off message boards and any publicly used websites with comments if swear words hurt you so much. No one is forcing you to be here or engage just like no one is forcing you to use steam or put games on there.

Also the fees you’re talking about during checkout are taxes my dude. Jesus… Lol

I never told you to shut up you are good at putting words in peoples mouths I have noticed.

And no no, I don’t trust valve all the way. The licensing can be taken at any time in my opinion they have censorship issues and they said that about not being able to pass down games when you die. I dont trust them all the way.

What bothers me is when people complain and cry about how Valve charges so much in fees when the entire gaming industry charges the exact same fee. And yet somehow PS and Xbox and GOG are always excluded from the conversation when it comes to this discussion.

You being upset at Valve doesn’t change the rest of the gaming industry. Also no, not charging the fees isn’t going to lower prices because just like the sales all of that is up to the publishers and developers nothing is stopping them from charging 30% extra to cover the fees and again they could absolutely host their own stuff and deal with payment processing fees, hosting fees, bank fees and all that without the exposure that every single competitor to valve gives them at the same exact price valve charges.

One of those gives you double the exposure than the other two combined though and I’ll let you guess which one that is.

Again you are wrong that 30% includes payment fees give it a search and educate yourself.

But yeah all those “failed competitors” I “cherry picked” charge the same amount steam does which was your original argument about why it sucks so bad. So you should be outraged at PS and Xbox charging that AND a fee to use your internet on multiplayer games.

Literally the only one that charges less hasn’t been profitable. You’re out of your element Donny.

Every single other competitor charges the same thing they do, is that enough evidence or are you going to claim every single other service is a failed competitor again? Maybe you will say that Steam should go against the rest of the industry and charge less than literally any other profitable competitor even though they have the biggest userbase out of all of them?

And if the word shit hurts your feelings you should probably know what you’re talking about and not accuse me of saying stuff I didn’t say like suggesting I said not to argue about steam which again I never said. Reading comprehension can be hard, I get it.

Fair. But its important to point out this won’t be one that goes inside you it will be one that you put on the outside of your head that interacts with brain impulses, at least according to them.

If I was someone with limited mobility or some other sort of handicap I would do that before I got the one that goes inside my skull. But that’s just me.

cherry picking failed competitors

You mean all of them? PlayStation, Xbox, and GOG literally the only two that don’t do this is Itch.io and Epic and Epic games store hasn’t been profitable since it came out in 2018. And Itch is pretty much indie games only. Please name one other competitor that sells AAA titles that doesn’t do that besides epic which again hasn’t been profitable as a game store since 2018. They supplement it all with that fortnite money.

You want steam to be the only one that has AAA titles for sale that doesn’t take the same percentage cut every single other one takes?

Not fangirling either I’m pointing out that your hate is completely unwarranted. You should hate the gaming industry as a whole if you hate the pricing model it has set up.

The reason people put their games on PlayStation, Xbox, GOG and Steam is because that’s where all the players are. They could easily only sell it on Epic and not sell well if they wanted to do that. (The fee being so low on Epic is why they don’t make money BTW give it a search online)

These developers could even set up their own payment processing system and sell it directly on their own website which would take about, oh look at that 20 - 30% of profits without any of the exposure PS, Xbox, GOG, and Steam gives you. I wonder why they don’t do that if its such a bad deal for them? (Payment processing fees, bank fees, website hosting fees - add it all up you’re not talking about some random checking account you’re talking about an account moving millions of dollars through it)

You know Xbox and PlayStation could also stop charging you for the internet you already pay for and that would be super consumer friendly too. Also could not take 30% “Don’t you like it?” GOG could do it too. What’s stopping them?

Also no, I’m “mad” because you willfully misunderstood what I said earlier and said I was saying not to argue which is not what I said. But ok, let’s argue about it, then. You dont seem to know what you are talking about because so far your argument is shit because every single other competitor does what you’re crying about steam doing. Except the one losing money.

Developers and publishers set the prices of sales like CD Projekt who makes Cyberpunk and has a 65% off sale right now.

So look at that, the company that owns GOG is one of the companies you’re upset about making all those sales and “taking money” from people.

Wheres the hate man? Why not boycott?

Or is that only for Steam and not really about who sets the sales?

I mean if you’re going to be outraged at least have some consistency about it.

Sounds like the only thing you’re upset about that Valve controls is more people use it and the CEO has a yacht. Due to those sales that your beloved owners of GOG set.

ALSO GOG ALSO TAKES A 30% CUT

They don’t set the prices. Developers and Publishers of the game are the ones that do that.

PlayStation has been known to straight up limit and even DENY developers and publishers of indie games on their platform but its strange I never see hate for them very much. And they also have crazy sales on AAA games too.

Its even crazier when that dude realizes that Steam doesn’t even set the prices, the game developers and publishers do.

I feel like people don’t understand this a lot

Yeah the owners of GOG (CD Projekt) aren’t rich either?

Idk man the games you play are designed by groups of people (maybe except our Stardew Valleys and whatnot) and those people spend hours upon hours developing said games.

You know that takes money to make happen right?

You would be happy to know that Steam doesn’t set the sales prices, the developers and publishers of games do that.

So whether you buy their game on GOG or Steam, you are directly supporting the people that set those sales.

Best not to buy any games that go on sales to keep true to your values!

I mean, he is developing the brain chip with his Starfish Neuroscience company but its supposed to be minimally invasive and let’s be real if its between his and Elon Musks (which is NOT minimally invasive and requires surgical implantation) I’m definitely going with his.

I wouldn’t say at this point its all about gaming though. Valve is, but not necessarily Gabe. Which I don’t mind but I could understand how some people wouldn’t like it.

I just think they get way more goodwill from their customers than they probably deserve.

That’s fair. They do a few things I don’t appreciate but overall I like them a lot better than any alternative other than GOG but I do hate that developers don’t update stuff the way it deserves on there sometimes.

Its always good to be a little critical of any service.

But the thing about the sales is that the developers and publishers set the sale price, not Valve. Valve still takes the cut of course.

But the reason you are seeing that most people buy them and don’t play them on there specifically is because it’s just the most used service for gaming. They have a higher userbase than playstation and Xbox combined. And that really just ties in with them being the most customer friendly.

I’m not saying they arent without faults but they are better overall than any of the competition.

Also to add to this PlayStation has been known to limit and straight up restrict indie developers sales prices on their platform sometimes straight up not letting them do it at all. So that’s another reason it all ties together to Valve not being a shit company. I’m sure that Xbox probably does the same thing but haven’t researched it as I sold my Xbox when they did the gamepass price hike this last time.

In my opinion letting indie developers set their own sale prices is good for the industry. But not letting them certainly isn’t.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/7/224446432324091426/

Me saying “imagine arguing” is the same same as saying “your argument is stupid because” and that is not the same as saying not to argue.

I said imagine arguing the points they argued because they are silly. Lots of storefronts have sales shit epic even gives shit away for free every week and gives 20% back in points when you buy a game fron them but you don’t hear anyone talking about how they “create FOMO” by not participating in their storefront.

Its a dumb argument. That is what “imagine arguing” means in that context. Hope that helps.

And yeah they make the console that you have to pay a fee to use internet on. Valve doesn’t do that. If you stop paying their exorbitant fees to use the internet you pay for already to play their games online then you lose half the functionality of your game that you bought. (For multiplayer ones of course).

Valve also makes systems but yes it isn’t quite the same as how PS and Xbox do it I understand what you are saying. However, everyone acts like Steam is greedy dickheads for charging the exact same rate other platforms charge without also charging you some dumb online play fee which is the real greedy fuckery. Despite them having more users than PlayStation and Xbox combined.

I think its funny that no one calls out the other companies greedy fuckery though. Just the one that is the nicest to their consumers (being steam)

LIKE GOG THAT ALSO TAKES 30%

Where’s your hate for GOG though? I don’t see it.

Yes Proton is Valves own compatibility layer though. They built it in collaboration with Codeweavers but Valve built it with Steam money. Codeweavers needed that money to make it into what it is today and Valve provided it.

And that’s ok that you don’t own any of those systems but you are acting like Steam is unreasonable when the rest of the industry does the same thing.

There is sales on PlayStation and Xbox all the time too but why aren’t most of those games unplayed and more bought on Steam? Because the market decided that was the best platform to buy it on. Do you not think Xbox and PlayStation “create FOMO” by offering sales too or just Steam?

And sure if you want to play old games or Indie games lots of options exist Itch.io is a good one too in addition to GOG.

But that’s not really what’s being talked about is it? This was about which storefront is better for consumers and most gaming consumers are playing AAA titles and of the storefront options for those titles there exist Steam, Epic, Xbox, and PlayStation and on some games itch.io and GOG but like I said before out of all those options Steam is the best one for new games and even old games sometimes when the developers don’t give their GOG versions love like they should.

GOG gets shafted on updates and DLC and also doesn’t even usually have like 70% of new games as an option to buy on them at all. Yes, I too prefer to own games but like I mentioned that isn’t always the best option on GOG because of reasons stated above.

Also my abandonware and some others have had Malware problems in the past although so has Steam but it gets caught on steam usually quicker.

Never said not to argue.

I said imagine your argument being that because a service does sales all the time and consumer relations better than almost all the competition available in the industry that that’s a bad thing because people spend money on said sales.

Its a bit of a shit argument.

“They have so many sales all the time that they force people into spending money they shouldn’t spend! And that’s bad!!”

Also, all those devs are free to use any other platform that doesn’t take 30%.

Remind me again how much PlayStation and Xbox take? Oh yeah, 30% huh.