I decided to remove it completely, it just gives the 1 individual spreading hate and lies 1 more thing to capitalise in on. It was very useful for testing before publishing, but I don’t need it as much as before anyway so it’s cool.

I appreciate you not jumping straight on the bandwagon with others :)

I surely hope it will be resolved too as I have about 200 XMR on the line thanks to 1 persons incessancy. I would say, do not make the conclusion until the software is delivered and working. Then all truth will be clear and hopefully the community will punish the real perpetrators.

I can make impulsive responses that don’t work in my favour for sure, and that’s mostly from anger and frustration with negative people, it’s a weakness I know recognise and control very well. I can assure you on the life of my kids, that all my intentions are good, always have been, those I must say that the purchase of haveno.com was slightly strategic incase of non-payment, because you never know on the internet, it’s a he said she said situation most of the time and no real guarantees, I guess my point is I can expose people with a recognised platform if I do in fact not get paid and then the good members of the community would recognise what individuals to avoid and hopefully make some positive change. It actually wasn’t ideal for me to buy haveno.com because it was expensive, but someone has strategically registered haveno.app so it was unavailable and wanted to use that. Retrospectively, it’s probably better that I got the .com now that it’s evident there are (potentially) systemic issues in certain areas.

I understand that Monerobull doesn’t run it, but that’s only because I take his word for it and kinda do trust him because I strategically asked to borrow 1 XMR from him, which he did (and paid him back), I know it’s not much evidence but it shows at least some good faith, that doesn’t mean he hasn’t been paid to promote/push it - likewise in demoting and trashing emerging networks.

Regarding demanding source before payout, I will provide a response to that if there are any issues with final payouts for the project as it’s a rabbit hole better left unmapped, realistically I don’t have time to lay it all out in a way people can digest yet either at the moment.

I can see how it might look like Hijacking of a project, I’m not sure how that applies to FOSS projects though, they own a twitter with all of their followers, if Google deems my content as valuable then it will rank my site (which btw is managed by a charity now, I dont even have DNS access to it but I will speak more on that later because it’s a lot to cover).

Regarding your comments about Aloha being the only site listed, also an interesting find and I’m happy to explain why both mine and my business partner agreed together to black or greylist certain networks. There was at the time significant allegations and and ‘drama’ upon its release, at the time I didn’t think much of it personally since Vik (owner of Cake Wallet) tweeted it out I figured some guy was just testing it out, but as time went on they made them selves known in Matrix and Reddit, I believe those conversations where all public, but from what I remember from the research I conducted before determining to blacklist them from being automatically included in the list, was that the conversation started on Matrix, and if you back track, or at least find the logs from IRC/Matrix, I’m pretty sure they are out there, you’ll realise that it was an attack on Markis or the one who claimed to have operated it. Since it was the second server to exist, we did want to take the allegation seriously just in case they were scamming as per the significance of drama that was perpetuated behind it. After about 12 hours of carefully reviewing the code, we found nothing. It was clear, it was a strategic competitive attack from Reto associates, this completely goes against the philosophy of decentralization and federation. Why spend 4-5 years on a project and then have people behaviour like that and deem it as acceptable, it will tackle anti-decentralization and anti-federation behavour tactically in the interest of FOSS, sometimes that comes along with pissing powerful people off. What do you think a powerful person or group would do if they realised they had to share their potential profits with other Haveno federations? :)

Hence, I’m being held hostage for payment for what I believe to be doing the right thing.

Hence, other third party networks getting shut down buy social discredit and provable lies, namely Aloha in this case being malicious being untrue.

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It’s unsurprising you thought Reto was the only network, there have been a handful but they tend to get shutdown or deleted by mods almost immediately and then ultimately get removed from haveno.com because they chose not to keep the seednodes online anyway, it seems this Aloha are keeping them online anyway even though no one is using them.

I will talk about drama only a little as I genuinely don’t have time for it managing a multi-platform app, but if ultimately I don’t get paid for it as promised then I will release a video highlighting corruption. A TLDR; is that ALL of the community drama was substantiated by a single mod on Reddit. He’s goes by the name of ofrnxmr on Matrix, annoyingly I did realise all of my respond to this and then didnt save a copy of it, it was then pretty quickly deleted from Reddit. Since monero.town is controlled my Monerobull, I’ve decided this is the safest place to address any concerns, but only if there is actually a specific concern, I wont engage in nonsense unfounded drama. Please note I have filed a police report in my jusurisdication for him essentially using his platform https://basicswapdex.com/ as a way to convince me to download something to my PC from him when I was new to the community. Ultimately, he can can be considered a very strategic but unhealthy competitor for the ‘spotlight’ of trading. I have other conspiracies which I believe should be shared too… some well-founded with evidence and some are just gut felling. I may or may not gives these out. Just remember online not all is as it seems, and you should consider the codebase as proof, as I can assure you that any concerns you have with haveno.com I will address every single of them.

Why isn’t anyone asking questions about prebuild binaries being in the Haveno Core I wonder?

        Map moneroBinaries = [
            'linux-x86_64'         : 'https://github.com/haveno-dex/monero/releases/download/release4/monero-bins-haveno-linux-x86_64.tar.gz',
            'linux-x86_64-sha256'  : '0810808292fd5ad595a46a7fcc8ecb28d251d80f8d75c0e7a7d51afbeb413b68',
            'linux-aarch64'        : 'https://github.com/haveno-dex/monero/releases/download/release4/monero-bins-haveno-linux-aarch64.tar.gz',
            'linux-aarch64-sha256' : '61222ee8e2021aaf59ab8813543afc5548f484190ee9360bc9cfa8fdf21cc1de',
            'mac'                  : 'https://github.com/haveno-dex/monero/releases/download/release4/monero-bins-haveno-mac.tar.gz',
            'mac-sha256'           : '5debb8d8d8dd63809e8351368a11aa85c47987f1a8a8f2dcca343e60bcff3287',
            'windows'              : 'https://github.com/haveno-dex/monero/releases/download/release4/monero-bins-haveno-windows.zip',
            'windows-sha256'       : 'd7c14f029db37ae2a8bc6b74c35f572283257df5fbcc8cc97b704d1a97be9888'
        ]

On page: https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/blob/master/build.gradle

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Don’t take this the wrong way, I’m not attacking Haveno or there developers in any way, in fact we are very cordial and work together well when needed, but I only trust what I built, I’ve reviewed all code, and decided to not hard code binaries like this into the application as it’s impossible to audit, I had to fork the original Haveno project to remove these for the version of the core that the app uses… You’re welcome? I’ve taken extra lengths in general to make and keep Haveno MORE secure than before.

That being said, I don’t want a business relationship or even association with a non-foss entity. (I’m sorry woodser) but Vik and Woodser have equity shares of Haveno in some context, and this well established. However my version of Haveno App is entirely 100% FOSS, with no strings attached, to converge the two (especially when I have been threatened to not be paid for my 4 months work so far from your funds. Therefore, I purchased the domain fair and square at market value from a genuine buyer which whether those mods or anyone else likes it, I am entitled to do, at least this way I can take responsibility for what I build, if it’s from haveno.com you know its been evaluated by Kewbit, if it’s from haveno.exchange you know it’s been evaluated by Woodser or Vik, over time this will help you build trust with both, there is also a very clear disclaimer about this on the Github page for the app. You can understand why I say some of the things in the drama book that ofrnxmr aka snow on reddit aka PsychoticBird aka TrueBird on Matrix. He changes his name a lot but he seems to keep his main one linked to BasicSwapDex out of the drama for the most part. I wish I had time to divulge more but I’d like to move on to actual bugs and other concerns, I will try to uncover the monero corruption more if I am ultimately scammed, depending on how badly I am scammed, at the moment I can identify and provide evidence for individuals who are 100% scammers, others I am awaiting to see or need more evidence. All in good time though, as this is definitely something that the core monero can resolve internally if handled appropriately without making a public anncounement potentially devaluing the coin. I encorage fact checking on EVERYTHING, don’t just take one persons narrative as gospel (yes even if they are a mod), you’ll see the community and the growth of Monero generally improve over time then.

PS. If some mod deletes this one I will repost somewhere else.

Valid point and addresses here: https://monero.town/post/5230886/6942982

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That’s a valid point, I had left that in there from when me and woodser was testing however I am making another release tonight which will have that removed. It’s already removed if you build from source however, and just to be clear, the telemetry was, either routed through tor or not routed at all and was to assist with the development bugs.

I have now released*