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  • Even if your moral system solves those “problems”, you just “solved” them by substituting the obvious and logical base of utility through personal responsibility. Personal responsibility is no inherent good, unlike utility, if people are unhappy/“feel bad”, it doesn’t matter how personally responsible everyone is being, that world is still a shit place.

    Also, the threat isn’t imagined. I can assure you that there are a lot more than one person on earth who would choose to kill as many people as possible if given the option.


  • Idk which moral system you operate under, but I’m concerned with minimising human suffering. That implies hitting kill because chances of a mass murderer are too high not to. You also don’t follow traffic laws to a t, but exercise caution because you don’t really care whose fault it ends up being, you want to avoid bad outcomes (in this case the extinction of humankind).



  • I just calculated the sum from n=0 to 32 (because 2^33>current global population). And that calculation implies that the chance of catching someone willing to kill all of humanity would have to be lower than 1/8 billion for the expected value of doubling it to be larger than just killing one person.



  • ApfelstrudelWAKASAGI@feddit.detoMemes@lemmy.mlI say double it.
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    1 year ago

    You would need a crazy low probability of a lunatic or a mass murderer being down the line to justify not to kill one person

    Edit: Sum(2^n (1-p)^(n-1) p) ~ Sum(2^n p) for p small. So you’d need a p= (2×2^32 -2) ~ 1/(8 billion) chance of catching a psycho for expected values to be equal. I.e. there is only a single person tops who would decide to kill all on earth.


  • I imagine hes is misquoting the United Front here?

    The United Front (Einheitsfront) was the strategy of the German communist party KPD to counter both fascism and social democrats (whom the KPD and the Third International called social fascists (“Sozialfaschisten”)). As you can probably guess, this wasn’t very successful in uniting the left and center against fascism, so Parties of the Comintern ended up changing strategies to the United Front, a broad coalition of left and center against fascism. This had some limited success (France had a Popular front government of communists/socdems/left leaning liberals for two years that enacted a fairly large amount of very progressive labour laws and banned a number of fascist and monarchist organisations like the Croix de Feu, Spain had a similar Popular front which ended with the military loss in the civil war against Franco)

    The SocDems SPD had a similar strategy btw., the iron front, which intended to counter fascism, monarchism, and communism and was opposed to the KPD.