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I have trouble with using tone in my words but not interpreting tone from others’ words. Weird, isn’t it?

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  • No. In fact, I quoted the first-hand accounts of the people in charge of the broadcast.

    Yes, there may have been less of a panic than as advertised, but it wasn’t a gross (or intentional) distortion. The drama was also only broadcast once.

    The offices of the city of Trenton, New Jersey, a location within the dramatization, had its communications paralyzed for 3 hours due to the calls made to ask the city well.


  • In 1938, Orson Welles adapted H.G. Wells’s “The War of the Worlds” for the radio, apparently causing mass hysteria and a major part of the continental United States to believe that a martian invasion had occurred.

    “A few policemen trickled in, then a few more. Soon, the room was full of policemen and a massive struggle was going on between the police, page boys, and CBS executives, who were trying to prevent the cops from busting in and stopping the show. It was a show to witness.”[26]

    During the sign-off theme, the phone began ringing. Houseman picked it up and the furious caller announced he was mayor of a Midwestern town, where mobs were in the streets. Houseman hung up quickly, “[f]or we were off the air now and the studio door had burst open.”[4]: 404

    How many deaths had we heard of? (Implying they knew of thousands.) What did we know of the fatal stampede in a Jersey hall? (Implying it was one of many.) What traffic deaths? (The ditches must be choked with corpses.) The suicides? (Haven’t you heard about the one on Riverside Drive?)

    This was a year after he adapted Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar to be set in Nazi Germany.


  • As I’ve already stated repeatedly, I see exclusion of parole completely arbitrary. You could argue that it’s not equivalent certainly, but you can’t just dismiss it.

    All you’ve said about it before was that you thought it was “splitting hairs” once. What do you suppose we do with probation then? Is there a Soviet purge-era equivalent with a measure we can compare?

    we’re comparing peak incarceration rate in USS right after the revolution with incarceration in US when its functioning regularly

    Well, that’s what we sought to compare. Both you and EgoCom claimed stuff like “US incarceration rate is higher than what USSR had during Stalin’s purges”.

    The fact that USSR numbers drop significantly over time while US numbers do not, is what’s really key here.

    It’s hard to have numbers drop a frick ton when you’ve had no arbitrary purging of ideas that led to gulag-levels of arrests.


  • Soviet police archives and were able to establish well-documented estimates of prison and labor camp populations. They found that the total population of the entire gulag as of January 1939, near the end of the Great Purges, was 2,022,976.[3]

    [3] By way of comparison, in 1995, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, in the United States there were 1.6 million in prison, three million on probation, and 700,000 on parole, for a total of 5.3 million under correctional supervision (San Francisco Chronicle, 7/1/96).

    I don’t think labor camps and prison are comparable to probation and parole. Do you still want to include probation and parole? If not, I think we can safely conclude that the Soviet Union was much more authoritarian. (If you adjust it by capita, you’d have a US prison population of 1.03 million Soviet heads, which is only a few ten thousands more than half the Soviet population.) If yes, why?



  • Where is the incarceration rate? People getting held pre-trial is a problem, yes, but even then, the gulag held 2.5 million at their height in the 1950s, and that’s not even counting anyone pre-trial or adjusting for the population difference between 1950s Soviet Union and modern day USA.

    I am comparing to the incarceration rate today. In 2022, the incarceration rate was 700 per 100,000. Unless you have evidence that that rate more than doubled in two years, I don’t see how the US has a higher incarceration rate.

    Call me stupid all you want, do you still think incarceration vs. correctional supervision is splitting hairs?



  • USSR having double of course isn’t comparable, and the US prison rate has been going down (well, at least until 2019, after which we got COVID and prison rates saw a gigantic dip that has been climbing bit by bit since, but still lower than 2019).

    And no, it’s not just splitting hairs. There’s a difference between being constantly surveiled and watched by the state, temporarily (at least nominally); and getting locked up in a festering environment where they neglect your good feeding and, in the USSR’s case, your well-being and being forced to labor, with a much stronger KGB.