Keep up the good memeing though…

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    • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
      9·
      2 months ago

      You mean… Hexbear voluntarily chose to partially shadowban literally all of its users?

      This is priceless.

        • asudox@lemmy.asudox.devEnglish
          4·
          2 months ago

          I’m pretty sure not even instances federated with lemmygrad can see them as long as the instance that owns that community is defederated with lemmygrad.

          • flamingos-cant (hopepunk arc)@feddit.ukMEnglish
            7·
            2 months ago

            So federation is a layered and can get pretty complicated.

            piefed.social is defed from Hexbear, meaning it won’t send any activities to HB and rejects any activities it receives that belong to HB. That’s why that comm doesn’t show anything from HB, as p.s will reject any subscriptions from HB users and so won’t send any of the comm’s activities to HB.

            However, when you on p.s post or interact with something on another instance, where the activities are sent is decided by the defed policy of the comm’s instance and the receiving instance. So when you comment in this comm, it will get sent to HB as feddit.uk isn’t defeded from HB and HB will accept the activity as they don’t defed from p.s. But HB is defed from lemmy.world, so when this comm sends it an activity from .world HB will reject it and so e.g. a comment won’t show up there.

            • Skavau@piefed.socialEnglish
              6·
              2 months ago

              Ah, so hexbear will only see piefed.social user interactions from mutually federated servers?

              • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
                1·
                2 months ago

                It is even more complex than that: I do not see PieFed.social in Hexbear’s blocked instances list (click Blocked tab to see it on that page), so if it is true that HB has blocked PS, then it must be on the “hidden list” that Lemmy instances sometimes use to block communities or instances that they don’t like, but which for whatever reason they prefer for that fact to not be as publicly visible (it also allows finer-grain resolution to block only certain specific communities such as Chapotraphouse without having to block an entire instance).

                I am not sure if PS has an exact equivalent of such a hidden list, but even more than that, PS blocking HB is reputably done baked right into the codebase, at least turned on by default unless an instance admin specifically removes it.

                But anyway no, if HB has blocked PS, then HB users will never see any content from PS anywhere, under any condition. Visiting some other instance, either as a guest with no account or as a registered user with an alt account, would allow this, but at that point the user would not be a “Hexbear user”, in that specific mode of interaction.

                • flamingos-cant (hopepunk arc)@feddit.ukMEnglish
                  2·
                  2 months ago

                  It is even more complex than that: I do not see PieFed.social in Hexbear’s blocked instances list (click Blocked tab to see it on that page), so if it is true that HB has blocked PS, then it must be on the “hidden list” that Lemmy instances sometimes use to block communities or instances that they don’t like, but which for whatever reason they prefer for that fact to not be as publicly visible (it also allows finer-grain resolution to block only certain specific communities such as Chapotraphouse without having to block an entire instance).

                  Couple of things:

                  1. HB operates on an allowlist federation model, ie they don’t federate until an instance is put on their allowlist by the admins;
                  2. p.s is on HB’s Allowed Instances, so HB should accept stuff and in fact it does;
                  3. Lemmy doesn’t have a hidden list of blocked instances? I don’t know where you got that idea.
        • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          So in other words, the Fediverse is nowhere even close to being “just like email”? 🤪

          Imagine if Windows users could not send or receive emails with Mac, Linux, Android etc. users…

          While on the other hand, not everyone signs up to receive all content straight from 4chan just simply by virtue of being on the internet.

    • flamingos-cant (hopepunk arc)@feddit.ukMEnglish
      6·
      2 months ago

      Most PieFed instances defed from hexbear, so the potential is limited.

      (Sidenote, how do you see defed instances in the default PieFed UI? I was only able to see by curl-ing the API)