Then more people who understand and acknowledge where the company stands right now, and where the platform stands in relation to that, need to “cross lines” in redditrequest. Either that, or more people need to accept that Reddit as a whole will probably be gone in a few months.
I respect your position on the situation. I would personally prefer it survive if at all possible.
I just wish everyone would respect the situation. You aren’t required to stay, or to leave. It’s obvious that the company isn’t going to change course because they need to get very profitable, very quickly. So why intentionally hurt other users, when you know that’s what you’re doing? Have we not outgrown this kind of valueless trolling? Do people think it will be a badge of honor that they were still trolling when Reddit died?
Have we not outgrown this kind of valueless trolling?
So I’m not sure which one to believe.
I would personally prefer it survive if at all possible.
Okay, I’ll bite. Why?
So why intentionally hurt other users, when you know that’s what you’re doing?
I am not doing this. reddit is the one doing this, by going after their mods unpaid volunteers with demands, and shutting down subs when they can’t find replacement mods.
But I’ll go further and ask this - what am I specifically doing that is hurting other users? Can you actually identify and name the specific action or actions that I’ve done that are hurtful? Have I actually taken any action aside from expressing an opinion?
If reddit can’t survive just because I’ve expressed an opinion, then they’re already dead.
It’s obvious that the company isn’t going to change course because they need to get very profitable, very quickly
Usually that’s a sign that the company needs to change course. The evidence is that by upsetting the users and community, reddit has lost revenue. Yet reddit continues to shoot itself in the foot.
Do people think it will be a badge of honor that they were still trolling when Reddit died?
I meant “we” as in “all redditors”; unless you’ve been posting J. Oliver pics, you’re right, you’re not contributing to it. I’m very sorry if that was taken personally, that’s not how I meant it. You and I, discussing the situation here on KBin, aren’t trolling anyone. We’re expressing opinions and having a conversation. But a group of users are doing hurtful and troublesome things; and they’re being encouraged by others (including authority figures - mods) to continue doing those things and making the site worse.
As far as why I would prefer Reddit survive, it’s a combination of
comfortable UI/UX,
community scale,
SERP access
And just my general experience with the site and the subreddits.
Those who were banned or demoted, I’d need to know the particulars.
As far as the accessibility side, I do use screen-reading tech more often than not; and I use RedReader from F-Droid on both of my Android devices. I have visual disabilities. Over time, I’ve come to accept the essential fact of disability accommodation - companies weigh costs; if accessibility has immediate costs without immediate benefit and any “consequence” is less severe than the cost of implementation, then accessibility measures will not be taken at any time.
I’m very sorry if that was taken personally, that’s not how I meant it. You and I, discussing the situation here on KBin, aren’t trolling anyone.
Gotcha. Glad we got that misunderstanding cleared up.
But a group of users are doing hurtful and troublesome things
Yeah, it’s a form of civil disorder. We should keep in mind they aren’t doing this because they enjoy causing trouble, but because they feel that basically this is their only way to be heard.
Those who were banned or demoted, I’d need to know the particulars.
That’s why I gave links. But would agree it’s reasonable to consider this on a case-by-case basis.
Over time, I’ve come to accept the essential fact of disability accommodation - companies weigh costs
accessibility measures will not be taken at any time.
I guess I should be grateful that I live in a country where things like this are considered a human right. The semi-galling fact about this in reddit’s case is that others stepped in to fill that accessibility gap, and reddit basically didn’t care and chucked them out the window.
I say semi as reddit does deserve credit for allowing Red Reader et al to survive.
As far as why I would prefer Reddit survive, it’s a combination of
Reasonable, but if reddit goes then something else will rise to replace it. I never used digg but apparently it used to lead on all three of these points, until digg shot itself in the foot and refused to listen to the community - giving the chance for reddit to surplant it.
Then more people who understand and acknowledge where the company stands right now, and where the platform stands in relation to that, need to “cross lines” in redditrequest. Either that, or more people need to accept that Reddit as a whole will probably be gone in a few months.
So reddit had basically broken the unwritten agreement it had with the community - the ones who gave it content that made it valuable as a company.
If they can’t survive without dishonouring that agreement then maybe it’s not such a bad thing if they don’t survive.
I respect your position on the situation. I would personally prefer it survive if at all possible.
I just wish everyone would respect the situation. You aren’t required to stay, or to leave. It’s obvious that the company isn’t going to change course because they need to get very profitable, very quickly. So why intentionally hurt other users, when you know that’s what you’re doing? Have we not outgrown this kind of valueless trolling? Do people think it will be a badge of honor that they were still trolling when Reddit died?
You say that, but you also say
So I’m not sure which one to believe.
Okay, I’ll bite. Why?
I am not doing this. reddit is the one doing this, by going after their
modsunpaid volunteers with demands, and shutting down subs when they can’t find replacement mods.But I’ll go further and ask this - what am I specifically doing that is hurting other users? Can you actually identify and name the specific action or actions that I’ve done that are hurtful? Have I actually taken any action aside from expressing an opinion?
If reddit can’t survive just because I’ve expressed an opinion, then they’re already dead.
Usually that’s a sign that the company needs to change course. The evidence is that by upsetting the users and community, reddit has lost revenue. Yet reddit continues to shoot itself in the foot.
Not trolling, expressing my true beliefs.
But yes, I think a badge of honour is deserved for all those who got banned for protestng https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/51891/Mildly-NSFW-Welp-I-guess-that-s-it-The-single-photo https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/71930/Reddit-admins-have-gone-off-the-deep-end-Banned-for-sexual
And for those mods who were removed by reddit https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/69025/The-entire-mod-team-of-r-MildlyInteresting-22m-just-got-the https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/67350/All-mods-on-r-TIHI-have-been-removed https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/65935/Reddit-just-removed-all-the-mods-from-r-self-and-locked https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/59559/Removed-as-moderator-of-r-Celebrities-after-14-years
Perhaps even for those who didn’t do anything, and got preemptively banned by reddit anyways, https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/90636/u-Awkwardtheturtle-posting-an-update-on-her-reddit-ban
And for all of their supporters. Remember, we are arguing on the side of the accessibility challenged, https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/66862/r-blind-community-migrates-to-Lemmy
So if that doesn’t deserve a badge of honour, then I don’t want to know what does.
I meant “we” as in “all redditors”; unless you’ve been posting J. Oliver pics, you’re right, you’re not contributing to it. I’m very sorry if that was taken personally, that’s not how I meant it. You and I, discussing the situation here on KBin, aren’t trolling anyone. We’re expressing opinions and having a conversation. But a group of users are doing hurtful and troublesome things; and they’re being encouraged by others (including authority figures - mods) to continue doing those things and making the site worse.
As far as why I would prefer Reddit survive, it’s a combination of
And just my general experience with the site and the subreddits.
Those who were banned or demoted, I’d need to know the particulars.
As far as the accessibility side, I do use screen-reading tech more often than not; and I use RedReader from F-Droid on both of my Android devices. I have visual disabilities. Over time, I’ve come to accept the essential fact of disability accommodation - companies weigh costs; if accessibility has immediate costs without immediate benefit and any “consequence” is less severe than the cost of implementation, then accessibility measures will not be taken at any time.
Gotcha. Glad we got that misunderstanding cleared up.
Yeah, it’s a form of civil disorder. We should keep in mind they aren’t doing this because they enjoy causing trouble, but because they feel that basically this is their only way to be heard.
That’s why I gave links. But would agree it’s reasonable to consider this on a case-by-case basis.
I guess I should be grateful that I live in a country where things like this are considered a human right. The semi-galling fact about this in reddit’s case is that others stepped in to fill that accessibility gap, and reddit basically didn’t care and chucked them out the window.
I say semi as reddit does deserve credit for allowing Red Reader et al to survive.
But apparently the only good third party apps with accessible mod tools are going. Here’s a recent experience of someone trying to use the builtin mod tools on the official reddit app and giving up in frustration, https://teddit.adminforge.de/r/ModSupport/comments/14jkqiy/this_is_the_current_experience_moderating_on/
Reasonable, but if reddit goes then something else will rise to replace it. I never used digg but apparently it used to lead on all three of these points, until digg shot itself in the foot and refused to listen to the community - giving the chance for reddit to surplant it.
Hey, deja vu?