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Wow, spez is taking on The Verge now? He thinks he’s a lot bigger deal than he really is…
It’s amazing hubris. Pride comes before a fall they say.
Pride comes before a fall they say.
[sees that Pride month ends June 30th]
GASP!
I hear fall starts for most of the northern hemisphere within just a few months of that
GASP!!!
The man speaking in this clip is Nilay Patel. Hes the Editor in Chief at The Verge.
He also used to be a lawyer before moving to journalism full time. So he knows Bullshit when he sees it.
I used to think that The Verge were just a bunch of Apple zealots who couldn’t even do a pc build video properly. They’ve come along way since then. Reddit would be absolutely insane to try and take on something like The Verge.
Side note , Nilay also has a podcast called Decoder where he interviews the heads of companies to get an idea of how they run and what their goals are. Its a pretty good show and I reccomend it. The one where Nilay takes on the head of Substack was hilarious
“A podcast about org charts.”
The hit piece Nilay did on Elon was fucking savage and one of the best things I’ve ever read on that site
I found his point about how the content moderation is the product to be insightful, and I haven’t thought about it that way before. I wonder how he feels about Lemmy in that regard.
“You just bought yourself for 44 billion dollars.” Really good indeed.
Thanks for the link, that article is delightfully savage. I laughed so hard my cat came over to check if I was dying.
Sounds interesting, I’ll have to take a look
Don’t understand how people can still use Reddit and ignore all the ickiness.
Saying it once was enough i think.
(Or you fell into a bug.)
weird. submitted it once. got triplicated somehow.
TIL the fediverse has an echo.
Echos and operate at different timelines with the synchronization differences between different instances.
Oh ok, my bad😅
This just amazes me. It seems as if their blinded by power. Actually thinking they’re the true and only Frontpage of the internet.
Spez here thinking that the content hosting is more important than content generation. Reddit’s value to the community or advertisers is a result of the users, not Reddit Inc.
I mean to be fair, I imagine when communities were in blackout things were looking dire. I haven’t been to reddit since, but I imagine things are pretty much back to normal? So it’s clear he can sort of spit on the reddit userbase how much he wants. People will still come back.
Noooo, it has not returned to normal at all. When the protestors left, a flood of other people came in to take their place. It was enough to create a noticeable shift in tone. I would now describe reddit as a whole as barely left-leaning. Almost every sub moved a couple notches noticeably rightward.
It has cancer. Prognosis not good, when monetization was the root cause.
Uh, if what your saying is true, that sounds like an absolute victory for Spez. He never wanted good communities, he wanted communities he could market to. Having the idiot right wing that buys Chinese hats that says MAGA is absolutely the audience he wants.
In fact, if you’re all correct and the old social media is just straight going to the right wing and the left wing goes underground to techie sites like Lemmy, their voices will get magnified. Which is already happening with bud and Starbucks. Oh we are fucked…
Thing about the internet is the spaces are not set. You can’t conquer a country like you can in real life, because none of the space actually exists. It’s all numbers of users, because there is a finite number of them, and they can only hang out and contribute in so many spaces.
They move into one, another shrinks. People come here, this one grows. That’s all. Think of it less as some kind of strategy game and more of fluids flowing and interacting in a complex system.
Sure, but some places do have more influence on the public discourse than others. Lemmy will remain relatively uninfluential until it becomes more user-friendly, and/or more well-known. So any left wing stuff here is going to have less of an effect than it did on Reddit or other such places, for now.
I feel like once good Lemmy apps exit betas and go to the App Store it’ll be bigger. Memmy is great, super user friendly. Once people can get access to it without jumping through hoops (TestFlight, not that complicated but maybe more than what the average user is willing to do), and once the app is ironed out (already most of the way there), it’ll be a much easier shift for a lot of people
The over-politicization here is annoying tbh. I still use Reddit for two things. To check on a reality tv show’s subreddit and to check Cricket discussions. I hope they move somewhere else, but neither are let or right wing. It feels like you’re seeing something you don’t like and attribute qualities you don’t like on to it.
How is this comment any different from a right wing person saying:
He never wanted good communities, he wanted communities he could market to. Having the idiot left wing that buys Chinese hats that has Mao pictures is absolutely the audience he wants.
It’s the same with Twitter. Apparently it has gone really right wing since Elon took over. But I’ve not noticed as I mostly follow football, tech, and music stuff.
Elon himself has gone really right wing, and coming out in public with some of the same hate and nastiness that Twitter showcases. There was a stink a while back because companies were seeing their ads posted next to full-on neoNazi content, which is absolutely the last thing a large company wants when they pay for advertising on a social media platform. I’m glad it’s not affecting you personally, but it’s part of why people are trying to move to p. much any other platform.
Because the right absolutely does buy maga hats and scam commemorative coins. The left does not buy Mao anything. Because we’re not a cult.
I get it. I’ve seen both left and right do that tbh. But what does it have to do with Reddit?
Right buys MAGA hat and is a cult so reddit is going right wing?!
Yahoo moment
Still waiting for spez to tell us what thatis said in private that differ from what he did in public. That’s one correction I don’t see his comm guy doing.
Iamthatis has spez dead to rights and is handling it with grace.
he’s always been a class act
We’ll no longer comment on hearsay, unsubstantiated claims, or baseless accusations from The Verge. We’ll be in touch as corrections are needed.
Setting aside the ridiculousness of this position, the statement also doesn’t make sense at face value, right? I think I understand what they’re trying to say, but aren’t those two sentences in conflict? Isn’t getting “in touch as corrections are needed” literally making “comment on hearsay, unsubstantiated claims, or baseless accusations”?
This is their “gotcha” move - if they don’t comment, it’s unsubstantiated hearsay. If they do comment it’s because it’s wrong.
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“We will not tolerate any lies being told about us. If we hear any, we’ll let you know.”
Right, but essentially that reads that everything is true and they couldn’t find anything wrong. Since they didn’t contact the Verge. It’s confusing because at least to me this is them rolling over and giving up.
I think it’s spez’s attempt to make a “cool” statement, like Hans Niemann’s “chess speaks for itself”
What I took from that is that I can assume everything that The Verge is saying about Reddit is true unless Reddit says otherwise. And they haven’t.
To be honest, though, given that Reddit has been caught lying on multiple occasions recently, I wouldn’t be inclined to believe their “corrections”, anyway.
Steve Huffman is an absolute tit.
No. People like tits.
I mean. My account has been a daily driver for the better part of 17 years. The name is original enough that if I went a week or so on an alt I would get requests for takeover from others.
I haven’t been on since it all started. And I won’t close the account. Just let it sit.
Go one further, edit and delete all your posts.
Please don’t do that unless you are replicating them somewhere else.
Gosh I HATE when I I stumble upon a reddit thread from Google when trying to solve a problem or something, and the comment which may have been the solution is removed or edited by one of those redact bots.
Don’t understand how people can still use Reddit and ignore all the ickiness.
For real. My brother is one of those people who is like “they aren’t gonna die from this so why should I care blah blah blah”. He thinks if protesting won’t have the immediate impact that people want then those no reason for it to happen
Mods aren’t going to put in the unpaid time just to make Hoffman rich.
Effective protest means accepting going without and inconvenience.
In an instant gratification society, that is anathema.
Don’t understand how people can still use Reddit and ignore all the ickiness.
Preach it brother!
Burning bridges…
Throwing everything out of the pram
Man. Nilay’s ego can be a bit irritating at times, but he’s damn good at holding brands to account. Their editorial policies around background information, NDAs and transparency are likewise much stronger than lot of publishers these days.
The Verge has been covering the shit out of the Reddit death spiral and I’m so here for it. Good for them.
Same, their coverage has made me feel way less terrible about all of this. Just knowing someone is out there calling Reddit on their BS makes it easier for me to accept that Reddit is no longer a safe place for me and move on.
It’s also one of the very few that’s been pretty accurate about it, I’m impressed.
Maybe they just need to post another phone recording that directly shows Huffman is a blatant liar and see what “corrections” come from PR.
A transcript for those who prefer to read. (using flixier so forgive the lack of speaker indication and the few corrections I made.)
Transcription:
[redd]it is very unhappy that people are talking to us.
They have decided that their official position is that they will wait for us to make mistakes and then issue corrections in order to discredit our journalism.
That’s straight up what they’re doing.
I know this is what they’re doing because we have a statement because they told us.
They told us Tim Rami, who runs coms at Reddit. This is the blanket statement will no longer comment on hearsay.
Unsubstantiated claims or baseless accusations from the verge will be in touch as corrections are needed.
Oh, my God.
I’ve been playing this game a long time.
We’ll wait for you to make a mistake.
So then we can correct you and say your reporting was wrong is the oldest trick in the book and we are just not gonna fall for it.
So we’re just gonna print this statement in every story from here on out, like that’s the way it’s gonna go.
If they want us to get it right they can… They can tell us what is actually happening, but I will come back to we’re gonna take the people on the ground.
We’re gonna take the users.
We’re gonna take the moderators.
We’re gonna take the employees every time.
And if you think they’re wrong, you can tell us and you can explain why they’re wrong.
But we’re not gonna stop because you’ve you’re running like a 1920 press playbook.
Like whatever.
Like I’m we’re just gonna burn you every time and that it’s that attitude.
It’s this aggressive posture where people are worried and they’re coming to reporters and saying,
Here are our worries.
Here’s the communication we have received that makes us feel threatened.
And Reddit’s response is Shut up.
That’s what breaks your community.
