cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29035971
Posting here for preservation’s sake
Image in removed comment was the attached Palpatine image. Curious to see if the same admin mod would remove these screenshots if I crosspost them to [email protected] , which they also admin and mod. Would I get a fair trial there or will my dissenting and others’ be silenced?
You can’t say you’re against disinfo if you’re knowing and intentionally promulgating it and abetting its usage. They also didn’t even remove the Reddit watermark.
This is why I don’t assign identities unto myself, because you criticize one action done wrong by leaders of an ideology or movement and bam! you’re shut out of it completely. They’ve lost the aid of an ally and progress is impeded by being shorted a participant trying to correct the course.
@[email protected] is literally an admin, they have access to voter and user metric data that you don’t. Who are you to claim there isn’t brigading or a movement going on? That’s right you don’t and can’t actually know better than they do. If I didn’t know better I might think you were trying to deny this issue due to your part in it.
@[email protected] You have no post or comment history whatsoever for two years, yet here you are in this thread downvoting comments. Sus…
@[email protected] @[email protected] This is what I mean when I say there is brigading here, people are using bots or their own alt accounts to vote on accounts
Yeah, thanks for the heads up. I’ve proposed in [email protected] to update the instance rules to disallow anti-genAI trolling in communities where genAI is allowed. They can take their pro-copyright-rentseeking campaign elsewhere. Don’t know why they thought it would fly here.
I’ve got no real problem with folks taking that position tbh, but it’s not ok to dogpile posts on our communities like has happened here. I’m also somewhat sympathetic to the argument that GenAI is having an impact on artists’ livelihoods. But they haven’t connected the dots that this is only an issue because of greedy corporations trying to fuck over artists. They are directing all their anger towards GenAI instead of the real source of the problem. By all means advocate for greedy corporations to stop using AI to increase their profits at the expense of artists. But to come into a leftist space and demand that we stop using AI too is at best tokenistic, and at worst just serves to obfuscate the fundamental problem.
The users engaged in trolling here and tying to excuse it as “activism” should think harder about who they are fighting with and why. Even if we did capitulate and ban genAI, that would have zero impact on artists, because we don’t pay for artists in the first place. It’s nothing but virtue signalling and tokenism. The Luddites didn’t go around breaking into peoples houses and smashing their spinning wheels. They went to factories owned by rich men and companies to destroy machinery in order to disrupt production and fight for workers rights and safety. Good on them too! If the anti genAI brigade were fighting against Getty’s (or Adobe, etc.) use of AI that might actually have a useful leftist purpose, and the analogy with the Luddites would work. Instead they are here causing a nuisance in a leftist community, over some random crossposted GenAI meme. Good work guys - job done I guess, the capitalists must be quaking in their boots right now because of your “activism”.
Yeah I agree, the Anti AI movement (and it is a movement) is extremely reactionary and doesn’t accomplish anything. Certainly isn’t helping artists. And yeah they’re not even comparable to luddites who went after factories back in the day. Anti-AI trolls are going after individual people, often harassing people, also deciding to use any arguments even ones proven to be lies or faulty. They’re inadvertently helping big corporations by making themselves and their movement look like quacks or trolls.
Did you post it yet? I didn’t see it there.
https://pluralistic.net/2022/01/04/general-ludd/
Agreed, and I have no beef with the Luddites. I’m fully supportive of the effort to hold commercial AI corporations accountable for the way they are enabling owners of capital to exploit AI to cause harm to artists and other workers. But if the anti-GenAI crowd followed the example of the Luddites, they shouldn’t be blaming the tooling. If they went after those who create and/or use the tooling to exploit people, rather than attacking those who use the tools (especially for a positive or harmless purpose) then I’d be fully supportive of that goal. Instead they are too busy cyber-bullying fellow Lemmy users and mods.
Yeah, there was an “anti-art-theft” account on tumblr that just went around harassing people for using ai.
One person has a pixel art plant pfp which was blurry from image compression, so the account thought it was ai, the person with the plant pfp was harassed about it, even though they didn’t use ai.
even if they did use ai, I don’t see why you’d want to harass someone for that anyway.
my point is, a lot of anti-ai stuff will end up affecting real artists anyway.
Genuine questions: why make it an instance wide rule when those communities can just add it to their own rules?
I get your point but I’d like to be able to be able to push back against this type of behaviour at an instance level if required, without the anti GenAI crowd complaining about there not being a specific instance level rule against it. I think I’m in favour of generalizing the rule though as suggested by other commenters, so that it covers things like anti-piracy activism in c/piracy too, for example. Some communities are intended for debate, and others are just communities of shared interests where folks want to learn and hang out, but not be dogpiled with hateful comments attacking their interests. And lastly, GenAI is a core founding theme of our instance, so it makes sense (to me) to make the rule instance level as well.
That’s fair enough, thanks for explaining!
I think @[email protected] is probably another one, does have history, but 2 months inactive. Maybe I’m being too aggressive but this Anti-AI brigade is out of control.
Hate to disappoint, but I’m a real, live human being.
That’s good, glad to hear it. That wasn’t really something I was arguing against though with the OG claim, as I have no doubt that some probably many of the vote manipulation accounts out there are manually operated.
Then I hate to disappoint again, but I’m just some rando that votes of their own accord - not part of some grand “vote manipulation” conspiracy.
The fact you aren’t banned from dbzer0 is proof enough for me, (at least that it isn’t the obvious kind) since multiple other people have been banned for brigading and vote manipulation.
I’m not sure about that one but feel free to community ban them if they have been downvoting a lot. I instanced banned the (almost) empty account you mentioned. Fuck those guys. I hope you can feel free to reach out to me or one of the other admins if you get cyberbullied and you need someone to disclose to.
Blatantly ignoring disengage while also making absolutely unfounded and ridiculous claims. Absolutely shameful.
You think admins are infallible? You’re only attacking me with these claims because I’m calling out someone who happens to be an admin. They are still human and, clearly, capable of doing wrong.
The whole point of this conversation is that it is wrong to assume everyone who simply shows a dislike in AI is a ‘right-wing pro-capitalist liberal’. That is a judgement of a person’s ideals and values based on a single metric that has no inherent connection to right-wing liberalism.
Now you have convinced me to block this entire instance because of this abhorrent behavior.
You are attempting to abuse the disengage rule. If you want to disengage, you’re not supposed to also try to put the last word in. Just disengage without arguing further.
it’s another user entirely. they didn’t ignore disengage, they are commenting on it
Right. I misunderstood thinking that it meant that all people must respect the person’s desire to be left out of it. It would probably be a better rule if that were the case. But, apparently rules don’t really matter here anyways.
I also missed an important part of it:
It still doesn’t excuse the disgusting behavior.
I simply wanted to be done, because there is zero respect shown here.
I’m also now frustrated that the instance block appears to not be working, since I got a notification for this reply.
I don’t want to deal with any interactions with anything or anyone related to db0 after this appalling lack of any respect, utterly shameful accusations, and weird cult-like attitude towards an admin.
Since you obviously have no intention of actually disengaging, there’s no problem with me pointing out that the disgusting behavior here is you intruding upon our instance to push your own shitty agenda, while insisting we abide by your dumbass rules about civility so we don’t hurt your fweelings. This is the problem with you self-righteous .world liberal hacks, you think the entire fediverse is your own little kingdom to do whatever you wish in, but can’t handle your cult-like world views being challenged.
Absolutely disgusting, and since you won’t be seeing our communities anymore, I say good riddance, and absolutely nothing of any value whatsoever was lost by not having you around.
an instance block will stop db0 content from showing in your feed… comments will still populate and users can still comment back to you.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, troll.