cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29035971
Posting here for preservation’s sake
Image in removed comment was the attached Palpatine image. Curious to see if the same admin mod would remove these screenshots if I crosspost them to [email protected] , which they also admin and mod. Would I get a fair trial there or will my dissenting and others’ be silenced?
You can’t say you’re against disinfo if you’re knowing and intentionally promulgating it and abetting its usage. They also didn’t even remove the Reddit watermark.
This is why I don’t assign identities unto myself, because you criticize one action done wrong by leaders of an ideology or movement and bam! you’re shut out of it completely. They’ve lost the aid of an ally and progress is impeded by being shorted a participant trying to correct the course.
YDI. It’s a leftist community. Stop brigading and read the rules.
Tell activitypub to stop putting db0 AI slop on my instance’s All front-page, then. It’s not brigading. If you don’t want interaction with the outside world, stop federating with it.
That’s not activitypub’s fault.
You can block the instance in settings, or block individual communities.
I’m not blaming AP, just refuting the absurd brigade claim.
I don’t think its brigading, because lemmy is small enough for most people to encounter the same posts.
I do think its better to just block people and comms which use ai.
It’s possible that not all of it is brigading but when 10 or 12 accounts with no content at all or content that’s old as heck come to start downvoting I think it’s safe to call that an act of brigading, which is my I’m saying there is brigading.
Yeah, though those could just be lurkers.
Thank you for acknowledging that. And you may be right about blocking.
I just think it’s difficult for folks, me included, to merely hide what they consider to be an issue. They’re not comparable, but if I saw a self-proclaimed leftist community sharing anti-union propaganda, I’d rather discuss it. I’m not claiming that’s the healthiest mindset or the correct one, but I don’t think it’s entirely without reason.
These situations, wherein a group broadcasts an idea to everybody, then silences dissent because it’s “their turf, their rules,” never seemed fair. Shields like “they’re trolling”, “neoliberals”, “bots” and “brigading” intensify the issue—some mod comments read like a mirror of r/conservative. Why does the blame lie solely with one side, when the subject is controversial and sharing it with everyone was also a deliberate choice?
There was talk of an option, for communities, to self-exclude from “all” feeds. Wonder if such features could be a better solution, here. I’ll refrain from talking AI and ethics in db0 in the future, but I feel like they should do better, themselves.
You need to use the block function instead of brigading communities and users who post AI content here. Activitypub services provide you with ways to stop seeing content you dislike in your communities. You’re choosing not to use it and instead complaining that the content exists, when it and the users who post it have more than every right to post it in this community.
If you are an instance admin you can choose not to federate with it but you aren’t, you’re a user. So either suck it up or block some people and communities.
I don’t think we’ll agree here, but it has to be said:
There is no brigade. You need to stop trying to redefine that term. There is no coordination, no plan, no private organizing. What you see is an entirely natural, decentralized reaction to an obnoxious and harmful trend.
You’re broadcasting, shouting at a megaphone, then blaming people who didn’t preemptively put earplugs in. You’re blaming people who have every right to use or not whatever platform features they wish and framing their disjointed actions as something else.
If you don’t like these reactions, you’re also free to stop seeing them. So maybe suck it up, or block some people? This argument sucks.
This isn’t something you can deny or prove innocence of, as brigaders and astroturfers are known to lie about their intentions, but FYI by trying to deny the existence or nature of brigading you’ve already failed and made yourself look even more suspicious. They always are “individual opinions” or “grassroots movements” according to the ones participating but the proof is in the votes and comment history of the users, and yours doesn’t make you look particularly good.
The person you’re replying to might be telling the truth, no way to know, but this instance got a lot of negative interaction from an actual brigade earlier today, so I wouldn’t be surprised.
Yeah, I wouldn’t be either, there have been brigades for a while actually and all the brigaders claim they aren’t that it’s just “individual opinions”. It is hard to know definitively and that’s really what they use to not get caught. Even if some of the people I’ve banned aren’t technically brigaders I don’t feel bad about it since they were anti-AI trolls in the first place, they don’t get anything out of my community. None of them are innocent or have been. OP of this thread certainly also isn’t innocent.
Yeah, I saw that later. This is clearly a bigger problem than I knew until like… two hours ago. But! That’s just evidence that the mods and admins are doing a fantastic job!
Because I make no secret of my opinions and don’t filter what I interact with?
If I was part of a secret, AI-hating cabal, what the hell would I be doing here on a thread with like 50 interactions? This has got to be the least advantageous, least productive, most contrived way to further my goals: in the midst of “enemy turf,” with no support, getting downvoted and looking like a loser trying to explain what brigading isn’t.
There’s no pretty way to say this, but you’re acting like a conspiracy theorist.
I’m not denying the nature of brigades, I’m saying a lot of the internet hates the genAI trend, is extremely open about it, and that post hit All. This is the simplest explanation, which you’re saying isn’t the case despite having no actual evidence pointing otherwise. But merely trying to prove the obvious would feed into an apparent persecution complex.
If I stay quiet, you’re right, but if I talk you’re righter. Have a good day, I guess.