The people pointing out ‘the .ml general consensus’ by running a smear campaign are not exactly operating in good faith or opposed to imperialism, they just have a preferred team (the US + co).
From direct experience it’s not a monolith, earlier today I made a post on hex shitting on Putin with 50+ upvotes, I didn’t get banned for wrongthink yet and it’s not the first time.
Just don’t be weirdly xenophobic/misogynistic is more the vibe I’ve picked up on. I never understand when people go in looking for a fight or stir shit somewhere then act surprised when the response is to shut it down or mock them. I’ve had it happen to me plenty just for voicing my opinions earnestly in liberal spaces.
You may think that it speaks negatively of me if I’m more comfortable in the ‘tankie-run’ spaces as opposed to the liberal ones, but a large part of it is because they have a much lower tolerance for bigotry/misogyny/transphobia in general than the rest of lemmy and I’ve seen them actually attempting to address it when it’s brought up. (on hexbear at least, .ml is more of a boys club) I’ve even talked shit about one of the admins here for failing to address his transphobic comment history- as it stands if nutomic does ever post in /c/transgender it’s going to be a race between me and marcie to ban him from it.
So again, not a monolith.
re: voting, The democrats were acting unbelievably condescending from the start of the genocide, that the issue was going to go away in 6 months because people would forget. It may not seem like it to you, but from my position (and many others) it absolutely looks like they didn’t care and were telling people to shut up and get in line.
It may not seem like it to you, but from my position (and many others) it absolutely looks like
Yeah, that’s the problem. You’re operating off “many others” instead of just talking to me specifically about what I specifically did and had issue with and my point of view on it. If you actually had any familiarity with what people were saying on lemmy.world and why, without getting filtered through this bizarro-world lens of how .ml views it, you wouldn’t be saying this stuff.
A lot of what you’re saying (not a monolith and so on) is completely valid. I’m pretty sure I very explicitly acknowledged that when I said that I’m not aware of your specific viewpoint on it, just speaking in general about what I’ve observed. Also, you started out by more or less accusing lemmy.world of being a monolith, going beyond assuming they’re all the caricature view to saying they all believe things that no one in the non-monolith believes. I don’t even like lemmy.world, but I spoke up guessing that I would have been included in that “vote blue” contingent you’re talking about, trying to speak directly about what I think so we could talk about it.
Now though we’re talking about Hexbear and tankie-run spaces and transphobia and Putin. And all of a sudden we’re not talking about the lemmy.world people, but aiming much more justified criticism at the actual Democratic candidacy. Maybe the whole galaxy of digression is my fault for throwing in a dig at the pro-imperialism people on the triad and inviting a response. IDK, I just brought it up because it just makes it hard to take them seriously. The people who prefer the US “team”, in terms of the State Department and support for Israel, is nonexistent on lemmy.world. Y’all have a fantasy that it exists… you know what? I just had another attack of perspective.
This whole conversation is a waste of time. If you want to talk to me about why I say the people you imagine who don’t care about Palestine are nonexistent on lemmy.world, we can. If you want to talk to me about how voting for Kamala Harris was absolutely the right thing to do, we can do that. You can try to justify in the light of current world events how helpful it was to refuse to vote for her, how “condescending” was super important to assign weight and value to, but “snatched by ICE and sent forever to CECOT” was less important. If you just want to change to a variety of other topics, I’m not into it.
If I come across a group of people all using the same contrived name for an instance I’m on, I’m going to associate them all together. “tankie triad” mudslinging is why I’m responding with this dynamic that you’ve identified. Turnabout is fair play.
You made the original accusation of a .ml hivemind, hence my wide-ranging explanation, because that’s what it took to convey my point.
This whole conversation is a waste of time. … If you just want to change to a variety of other topics, I’m not into it.
If you’re tired of being my interlocutor I’m happy to disengage. I was only explaining my objection to your original assertion, I provided my perspective.
IDK, maybe it’s fair to say that they’ve realized that Russia is the aggressor in the Ukraine war at this point. They do seem to have developed some acceptability for the anti-Putin point of view, at least, I’ll give them that.
You seem like you took “hivemind” as pejorative, which I guess is fair. But all I said was that lemmy.ml in general has a consensus view about Ukraine and Xinjiang. No?
I have not very many things positive to say about her other than she would probably not be as catastrophic as Trump is.
Somewhat normal, but Jesus Christ look at all the “removed by mod”
Misogyny:
Ableism:
They’ll censor calling Ukraine a genocide. I don’t like hearing that kind of talk either. It’s a war, they’re terrible and a nonstop fountain of violence, but it’s not an ethnic cleansing campaign.
Can you elaborate on what the issue with this one is?
The people pointing out ‘the .ml general consensus’ by running a smear campaign are not exactly operating in good faith or opposed to imperialism, they just have a preferred team (the US + co).
From direct experience it’s not a monolith, earlier today I made a post on hex shitting on Putin with 50+ upvotes, I didn’t get banned for wrongthink yet and it’s not the first time.
Just don’t be weirdly xenophobic/misogynistic is more the vibe I’ve picked up on. I never understand when people go in looking for a fight or stir shit somewhere then act surprised when the response is to shut it down or mock them. I’ve had it happen to me plenty just for voicing my opinions earnestly in liberal spaces.
You may think that it speaks negatively of me if I’m more comfortable in the ‘tankie-run’ spaces as opposed to the liberal ones, but a large part of it is because they have a much lower tolerance for bigotry/misogyny/transphobia in general than the rest of lemmy and I’ve seen them actually attempting to address it when it’s brought up. (on hexbear at least, .ml is more of a boys club) I’ve even talked shit about one of the admins here for failing to address his transphobic comment history- as it stands if nutomic does ever post in /c/transgender it’s going to be a race between me and marcie to ban him from it.
So again, not a monolith.
re: voting, The democrats were acting unbelievably condescending from the start of the genocide, that the issue was going to go away in 6 months because people would forget. It may not seem like it to you, but from my position (and many others) it absolutely looks like they didn’t care and were telling people to shut up and get in line.
Yeah, that’s the problem. You’re operating off “many others” instead of just talking to me specifically about what I specifically did and had issue with and my point of view on it. If you actually had any familiarity with what people were saying on lemmy.world and why, without getting filtered through this bizarro-world lens of how .ml views it, you wouldn’t be saying this stuff.
A lot of what you’re saying (not a monolith and so on) is completely valid. I’m pretty sure I very explicitly acknowledged that when I said that I’m not aware of your specific viewpoint on it, just speaking in general about what I’ve observed. Also, you started out by more or less accusing lemmy.world of being a monolith, going beyond assuming they’re all the caricature view to saying they all believe things that no one in the non-monolith believes. I don’t even like lemmy.world, but I spoke up guessing that I would have been included in that “vote blue” contingent you’re talking about, trying to speak directly about what I think so we could talk about it.
Now though we’re talking about Hexbear and tankie-run spaces and transphobia and Putin. And all of a sudden we’re not talking about the lemmy.world people, but aiming much more justified criticism at the actual Democratic candidacy. Maybe the whole galaxy of digression is my fault for throwing in a dig at the pro-imperialism people on the triad and inviting a response. IDK, I just brought it up because it just makes it hard to take them seriously. The people who prefer the US “team”, in terms of the State Department and support for Israel, is nonexistent on lemmy.world. Y’all have a fantasy that it exists… you know what? I just had another attack of perspective.
This whole conversation is a waste of time. If you want to talk to me about why I say the people you imagine who don’t care about Palestine are nonexistent on lemmy.world, we can. If you want to talk to me about how voting for Kamala Harris was absolutely the right thing to do, we can do that. You can try to justify in the light of current world events how helpful it was to refuse to vote for her, how “condescending” was super important to assign weight and value to, but “snatched by ICE and sent forever to CECOT” was less important. If you just want to change to a variety of other topics, I’m not into it.
If I come across a group of people all using the same contrived name for an instance I’m on, I’m going to associate them all together. “tankie triad” mudslinging is why I’m responding with this dynamic that you’ve identified. Turnabout is fair play.
You made the original accusation of a .ml hivemind, hence my wide-ranging explanation, because that’s what it took to convey my point.
If you’re tired of being my interlocutor I’m happy to disengage. I was only explaining my objection to your original assertion, I provided my perspective.
I said that lemmy.ml has a consensus that genocide in Ukraine and Xinjiang is okay.
Check this out (search date range limiting is broken maybe? IDK, you have to talk to the developers):
https://lemmy.ml/search?q=xinjiang&type=Comments&listingType=All&page=1&sort=TopWeek
As for Ukraine:
https://lemmy.ml/search?q=ukraine&type=Comments&listingType=Local&page=1&sort=TopWeek
IDK, maybe it’s fair to say that they’ve realized that Russia is the aggressor in the Ukraine war at this point. They do seem to have developed some acceptability for the anti-Putin point of view, at least, I’ll give them that.
You seem like you took “hivemind” as pejorative, which I guess is fair. But all I said was that lemmy.ml in general has a consensus view about Ukraine and Xinjiang. No?
Any conversation about Kamala Harris?
I have not very many things positive to say about her other than she would probably not be as catastrophic as Trump is.
Misogyny:
Ableism:
They’ll censor calling Ukraine a genocide. I don’t like hearing that kind of talk either. It’s a war, they’re terrible and a nonstop fountain of violence, but it’s not an ethnic cleansing campaign.
Can you elaborate on what the issue with this one is?
one of the links included this:
Accusing China of doing a genocide was a Trump term 1 hobbyhorse carried over by Biden just like how they didn’t cancel his tariffs from then either.