My front page has the same thing 10-15 times because they were cross posted to so many different instances.
I’ve reduced my Lemmy usage by probably 95% because of it. I scroll so much but get nowhere.
No matter what my sort options are.
Edit: which aren’t always bots, unfortunately. A ton of people see them from other communities and will post the same thing to theirs. Blocking bots does not help.
It’s all over my front page. Even the few that I am subscribed to, I kinda need to be because of the fragmentation. There are 3 main Android communities. If I only pick one, I miss news, but if I pick all 3, I get a ton of duplicate news.
Lemmy is flawed. They need to publish an update where Lemmy condenses these posts into one post with a drop down where you can open and choose which instance you want to view it from. Shouldn’t be hard, and to prevent any issues, allow the user to condense a certain time period. For example, allow me to condense all posts that are the same URL that were posted in the past 6 or 24 hours. Make the most popular post the “main” one, and have a drop down to view the other ones.
I know it’s possible because I used to have an extension to check if any URL I was currently on was posted to Reddit, and if it was, show me every single instance of it. It was useful to see exactly where the news article I was viewing was posted on, or the YouTube video, etc.
I had very high hopes for Lemmy, but the fact I’ve been here for a month before the Reddit API changes, I have seen the clusterfuck that Lemmy has become. There’s no way new users are going to even sign up when the front page is repost city.
The way i see it is that it is okay to miss some things. I only sub to one android community (lemdroid), one tech community (lemmy world), one privacy community, etc. I am okay with possibly missing the first post about a thing because of this. It helps a lot. Another thing i do is use thunder to sort by “top today” once a day on the all feed to see what everyone thinks is important.
This works for the individual (as long as they concede to knowing missing content). But if everyone does this it kinda destroys lemmy because you never get the critical mass of users in any one community to have meaningful discussion.
Which highlights the issue of your proposal for me, that I’m not concerned about missing “content” in the form of links. I don’t like missing out on conversations. But when they are fragmented as they are now with so few people in each, discussion ends up quite limited as well. If people just silence one or more “duplicate” communities to reduce the issue of repeat content then it ensures discussions remain fragmented as well.
I think one community becomes the dominate like on reddit and others offshoot due to mod differences, community rules, etc. As an example, i am not sure if anxdroid lemdroid is the largest community, but it is run by the r/android mods and i see no issue with how its run so that is the one i sub to. If i ever began to dislike it i might move to android lemmy ml or something.
Hopefully we see it mature this way, and eventually we some primary communities (per subject), with some smaller communities, and the tiny ones just being subsumed by the others.
As the top mod of one of these Android communities, our comm on LW usually isn’t super heavy on the news front and I feel our content is generally pretty different than the others, and duplicate news posts happens pretty rarely.
That and this place being crazy crazy overwhelmingly progressive (not shade) is going to push people away. Seeing 4 or 5 of the same tankie posts in a row with little other content but politics is going to ensure nobody is able to find more sharable content.
And yes, I know you can switch. Nobody outside of the most hardcore are going to deal with multiple instances, moving identity, etc.
If the situation doesn’t get better regarding how that works, either through community or tech, I’ll move back to Reddit eventually as will most of the folks who jumped on after the failed protest.
this place being crazy crazy overwhelmingly progressive (not shade) is going to push people away.
This is a serious concern. As a moderate, I usually get fed-up with how lop-sided it is here pretty quickly.
When I first joined Lemmy, I was optimistic that there would be a good exchange of ideas and open discussions from differing viewpoints. Unfortunately, that only lasted until I found the Agora. At which point I realized I had just joined Survivor Lemmy, and was always wondering which instance was going to get voted off the island this week. I pretty much dropped my sh.itjust.works account after that.
It is amazing how toxic the environment can be towards people with differing political views. I can’t remember the last time I was here and didn’t see someone calling conservatives fascists or saying they should die. Also, it is pretty rare day when I see someone use the word communist here instead of the pejorative “tankie”. Definitely not the kind of environment to foster inclusion.
If there wasn’t such an emphasis on civility, anti-racism, anti-bigotry, and non-toxicity here then I wouldn’t expect anything and probably wouldn’t even notice, but with that emphasis it seems to stand out even more.
Whenever I see the same person reposting like that, I downvote all but whatever seems the highest voted or post in the most specific community. Reducing such spam is one of the values of the downvote IMO. Though unfortunately depending on where the community is hosted, the downvoting may or may not actually work.
I see it as little different from downvoting someone posting the same comment in a thread. They’re simply not contributing to making the site better and in fact are actively making it worse. I don’t mind a single cross post so that they can use both a smaller community and a bigger, more general one, but take issue when they’re posting to a dozen big communities (especially ones that most people are likely subscribed to anyway). To anyone who does this, I wag my finger at you.
As I understand it, seeing the same post multiple times when it is cross-posted is an app issue. The default desktop UI combines them all into one post with links near the top showing the other communities it was cross-posted to.
I never see the multiple post thing you are talking about.
Fragmented communities are.
My front page has the same thing 10-15 times because they were cross posted to so many different instances.
I’ve reduced my Lemmy usage by probably 95% because of it. I scroll so much but get nowhere.
No matter what my sort options are.
Edit: which aren’t always bots, unfortunately. A ton of people see them from other communities and will post the same thing to theirs. Blocking bots does not help.
Have you considered unsubscribing from the fragments? Dramatically reduce your subs and you’ll have a much better time.
It’s all over my front page. Even the few that I am subscribed to, I kinda need to be because of the fragmentation. There are 3 main Android communities. If I only pick one, I miss news, but if I pick all 3, I get a ton of duplicate news.
Lemmy is flawed. They need to publish an update where Lemmy condenses these posts into one post with a drop down where you can open and choose which instance you want to view it from. Shouldn’t be hard, and to prevent any issues, allow the user to condense a certain time period. For example, allow me to condense all posts that are the same URL that were posted in the past 6 or 24 hours. Make the most popular post the “main” one, and have a drop down to view the other ones.
I know it’s possible because I used to have an extension to check if any URL I was currently on was posted to Reddit, and if it was, show me every single instance of it. It was useful to see exactly where the news article I was viewing was posted on, or the YouTube video, etc.
I had very high hopes for Lemmy, but the fact I’ve been here for a month before the Reddit API changes, I have seen the clusterfuck that Lemmy has become. There’s no way new users are going to even sign up when the front page is repost city.
The way i see it is that it is okay to miss some things. I only sub to one android community (lemdroid), one tech community (lemmy world), one privacy community, etc. I am okay with possibly missing the first post about a thing because of this. It helps a lot. Another thing i do is use thunder to sort by “top today” once a day on the all feed to see what everyone thinks is important.
Unrelated, but I don’t sub to lemdroid because it’s run by the same toxic moderators of the subreddit.
Just thought that might be useful info for anyone who didn’t know.
This works for the individual (as long as they concede to knowing missing content). But if everyone does this it kinda destroys lemmy because you never get the critical mass of users in any one community to have meaningful discussion.
Which highlights the issue of your proposal for me, that I’m not concerned about missing “content” in the form of links. I don’t like missing out on conversations. But when they are fragmented as they are now with so few people in each, discussion ends up quite limited as well. If people just silence one or more “duplicate” communities to reduce the issue of repeat content then it ensures discussions remain fragmented as well.
I think one community becomes the dominate like on reddit and others offshoot due to mod differences, community rules, etc. As an example, i am not sure if anxdroid lemdroid is the largest community, but it is run by the r/android mods and i see no issue with how its run so that is the one i sub to. If i ever began to dislike it i might move to android lemmy ml or something.
Hopefully we see it mature this way, and eventually we some primary communities (per subject), with some smaller communities, and the tiny ones just being subsumed by the others.
As the top mod of one of these Android communities, our comm on LW usually isn’t super heavy on the news front and I feel our content is generally pretty different than the others, and duplicate news posts happens pretty rarely.
Nailed it.
That and this place being crazy crazy overwhelmingly progressive (not shade) is going to push people away. Seeing 4 or 5 of the same tankie posts in a row with little other content but politics is going to ensure nobody is able to find more sharable content.
Communists and socialists are not progressive. Progressivism is a liberal ideology.
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And yes, I know you can switch. Nobody outside of the most hardcore are going to deal with multiple instances, moving identity, etc.
If the situation doesn’t get better regarding how that works, either through community or tech, I’ll move back to Reddit eventually as will most of the folks who jumped on after the failed protest.
This is a serious concern. As a moderate, I usually get fed-up with how lop-sided it is here pretty quickly.
When I first joined Lemmy, I was optimistic that there would be a good exchange of ideas and open discussions from differing viewpoints. Unfortunately, that only lasted until I found the Agora. At which point I realized I had just joined Survivor Lemmy, and was always wondering which instance was going to get voted off the island this week. I pretty much dropped my sh.itjust.works account after that.
It is amazing how toxic the environment can be towards people with differing political views. I can’t remember the last time I was here and didn’t see someone calling conservatives fascists or saying they should die. Also, it is pretty rare day when I see someone use the word communist here instead of the pejorative “tankie”. Definitely not the kind of environment to foster inclusion.
If there wasn’t such an emphasis on civility, anti-racism, anti-bigotry, and non-toxicity here then I wouldn’t expect anything and probably wouldn’t even notice, but with that emphasis it seems to stand out even more.
To be honest I’ve been a little confused on the various posts just being links back to Reddit. Not sure what the benefit is for the poster?
I think the idea was to get some data into lemmy, to seed it from reddit. Seems to have run its course.
Whenever I see the same person reposting like that, I downvote all but whatever seems the highest voted or post in the most specific community. Reducing such spam is one of the values of the downvote IMO. Though unfortunately depending on where the community is hosted, the downvoting may or may not actually work.
I see it as little different from downvoting someone posting the same comment in a thread. They’re simply not contributing to making the site better and in fact are actively making it worse. I don’t mind a single cross post so that they can use both a smaller community and a bigger, more general one, but take issue when they’re posting to a dozen big communities (especially ones that most people are likely subscribed to anyway). To anyone who does this, I wag my finger at you.
As I understand it, seeing the same post multiple times when it is cross-posted is an app issue. The default desktop UI combines them all into one post with links near the top showing the other communities it was cross-posted to.
I never see the multiple post thing you are talking about.