Especially since kids who are working are paying taxes. Not that that should be the singular standard that determines voting rights or anything. But it is common for kids to start working at 16. Sometimes even earlier; I think in my state you can start working as early as 14, even in non-farm jobs, but it’s super restricted. So not a lot of employers hire under-16yo.
Like in the other way, we let 18yos vote and we know they’re basically still kids. What is it now; our brains our still developing into our mid-20s, possibly even further?
I will say, I don’t trust 16yos (or 18yos) with much. But I would feel comfortable with them voting on local and school board issues. Because it directly effects them and they should have a say. We trust them driving independently, for better or worse. We trust them to work, often with money and other goods. Why shouldn’t we trust them to vote on these issues?
On top of that, in a couple of years after they start working and driving, we (as a country) start trusting them to enter wars. That’s a whole other can of worms, but if we already say “in a couple of years, these 16-year-olds can join the military,” then why not allow them to vote at 16 versus 18 when it’s only a 2-year difference?
Because working with direct supervision is a far cry from making decisions that affect everyone.
I have a 16yo, bless her heart. No way is she ready to vote. I’d far rather not tax children than give them access to running anything connected to law.
Part of the reason 18yos are “ready” to vote is they ostensibly have a couple years of working under their belt. 16yo have no idea how disconnected from reality they really are. Give them a couple more years to operate under responsibilities, first.
No way is she ready to vote.
I don’t know, there are adults I know that I’m not sure are ready to vote, but we let them because the alternative is unthinkable.
I know part of parenting is that constant trade off of allowing a child to express themselves and enforcing boundaries they may not yet understand, and so preventing problems for the future by way of boundary enforcement, but voting in local elections and school boards and things that impact them seems like relatively low consequence.
The worst case scenario is that teenagers become the most active voters that need to be courted by potential school board candidates, who then propose policies that are actually harmful to teens but seem attractive to them, e.g., canceling school more or similar. And that seems fairly low risk considering that they’re outnumbered by adults, so they would need a substantial block of adult voters that agree as well. I think it’s a decent introduction to voting, with consequences for actions, but with a limited scale and scope that would do well for them.
Thinking about the issues on my local ballot in recent years, it’s things like library funding, police funding, school board and town council reps, judges, and otherwise appointing adults or approving bonds that have been requested by adults. I think teenagers could have valuable input on those.
I’m with some of the others in the thread. If they’re trusted to drive, to work, to be tried as an adult for crimes, they should get a say in management. Otherwise raise driving age and working age to 18 and be done with it.
Absolutely. Teens have responsibilities! They participate. And it’s true, at 18 i was much less responsible than I am now (or than i was at 16). I am sure it depends on the person, and lots of people of all ages make iffy choices. But yeah, school board and local issues directly pertain to teens’ interests and lives, I don’t see why they wouldn’t take it seriously and try to do good with it, especially since we already rely on people that age for labor and as you said driver safety.
Especially since kids who are working are paying taxes. Not that that should be the singular standard that determines voting rights or anything. But it is common for kids to start working at 16. Sometimes even earlier; I think in my state you can start working as early as 14, even in non-farm jobs, but it’s super restricted. So not a lot of employers hire under-16yo.
Like in the other way, we let 18yos vote and we know they’re basically still kids. What is it now; our brains our still developing into our mid-20s, possibly even further?
I will say, I don’t trust 16yos (or 18yos) with much. But I would feel comfortable with them voting on local and school board issues. Because it directly effects them and they should have a say. We trust them driving independently, for better or worse. We trust them to work, often with money and other goods. Why shouldn’t we trust them to vote on these issues?
On top of that, in a couple of years after they start working and driving, we (as a country) start trusting them to enter wars. That’s a whole other can of worms, but if we already say “in a couple of years, these 16-year-olds can join the military,” then why not allow them to vote at 16 versus 18 when it’s only a 2-year difference?
Those two years make a HUGE difference in cognitive ability.
https://myhealth.alberta.ca/Health/Pages/conditions.aspx.
Why not 14? It’s only a two year difference from 16.
Because working with direct supervision is a far cry from making decisions that affect everyone.
I have a 16yo, bless her heart. No way is she ready to vote. I’d far rather not tax children than give them access to running anything connected to law.
Part of the reason 18yos are “ready” to vote is they ostensibly have a couple years of working under their belt. 16yo have no idea how disconnected from reality they really are. Give them a couple more years to operate under responsibilities, first.
Agreed, but if they’re being taxed, they deserve a vote.
I know part of parenting is that constant trade off of allowing a child to express themselves and enforcing boundaries they may not yet understand, and so preventing problems for the future by way of boundary enforcement, but voting in local elections and school boards and things that impact them seems like relatively low consequence.
The worst case scenario is that teenagers become the most active voters that need to be courted by potential school board candidates, who then propose policies that are actually harmful to teens but seem attractive to them, e.g., canceling school more or similar. And that seems fairly low risk considering that they’re outnumbered by adults, so they would need a substantial block of adult voters that agree as well. I think it’s a decent introduction to voting, with consequences for actions, but with a limited scale and scope that would do well for them.
Thinking about the issues on my local ballot in recent years, it’s things like library funding, police funding, school board and town council reps, judges, and otherwise appointing adults or approving bonds that have been requested by adults. I think teenagers could have valuable input on those.
I’m with some of the others in the thread. If they’re trusted to drive, to work, to be tried as an adult for crimes, they should get a say in management. Otherwise raise driving age and working age to 18 and be done with it.
Absolutely. Teens have responsibilities! They participate. And it’s true, at 18 i was much less responsible than I am now (or than i was at 16). I am sure it depends on the person, and lots of people of all ages make iffy choices. But yeah, school board and local issues directly pertain to teens’ interests and lives, I don’t see why they wouldn’t take it seriously and try to do good with it, especially since we already rely on people that age for labor and as you said driver safety.