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Except those people tied themselves to the track and started the train themselves… Completely voluntarily.
Unfortunately not true, a lot of people who didn’t vote for Neofascism will also suffer.
there’s nothing neo about this, let’s not even give them the credit of originality. This is exactly what happened 100 years ago.
Whilst screaming make America great again as the trolley (s) keep going
If you are from the US and you criticized people living under authoritarian regimes for not rioting hard enough, this is your time.
You still have it easy. You won’t be taken into prison for standing with a piece of blank paper. You won’t be beaten with batons and taken into custody for reciting Constitution. Yet. Go ahead before it gets there, and may you never see a true authoritarian horror.
Otherwise, all your words are not worth a dime.
55% of your countrymen chose fascism. If you don’t want fascism I think it’s time to leave.
Technically it’s not a full 55% of my countrymen, just 55% of the ones who bothered to vote. I’ll admit that’s not really a meaningful distinction though. Unfortunately, there’s also more of us who want to leave than the rest of the world can reasonably handle. I hope as many marginalized people can get out, because it’s going to be bad, especially for them. But those, like me, who are unlikely to be directly targeted due simply to being lucky enough to be born straight, white, men should probably leave those limited seats for those who truly need to leave.
Let me just leave this here:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.— Martin Niemöller https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_…
I do not mean to accuse you of staying silent, but please remember: no one is safe from fascism once it is there.
People that didn’t vote, didn’t bother either way, so my point still stands.
What would rioting do though besides serve as an excuse to ram in fascism
If it’s not gonna happen, more fascist measures will be introduced - without people’s hesitation outside Internet comments.
A solid organized riot does change the course even for most authoritarian governments, even if they happen to suppress it eventually. Politicians should feel that their position is not as solid as they would like.
But the further people prefer to not intervene, the more entrenched authoritarians become and more draconian measures are implemented. As such, the government is strongly interested in making people think rioting doesn’t help. This is part of many authoritarians’ playbooks.
It will do nothing, and I personally don’t think it should be done. But as a thought experiment it shows that saying other authoritarian countries’ citizens that they just ‘didn’t riot hard enough and this are all to blame’ was a bit wrong
There’s nothing worth rioting for.
Except minority rights (including, but not limited to LGBTQ+, especially T), healthy immigration policy, right to abortion, fair economic policy, environmental policies, and a million other things.
Unions, equality, education, healthcare…
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I mean you could also take the “don’t buy from US based corporations for 1 year challenge” starting january 1st 2025. Stock up on any corporate goods you need now then buy nothing for a year.
The pandemic market rallied because of a bailout after consumer spending plummeted. Would be a shame if the same thing happened and suddenly there was no emergency for a bailout to sail under.
They won’t have time and energy for persecuting people if the economy is broken.
Record/pirate a bunch of movies/shows then cancel streaming for a year. Buy any electronics now before the tariffs start. Buy surplus canned food etc. Then see how little you can spend the entire year of 2025. Planning on doing tourist stuff inside the US? Don’t. If you work at a big corporation consider deleting an important email and see what happens.
Lets fuck around.
The little engine that could
Organize. Sabotage. General strike. Protest. Political action isn’t one day every four years.
I wonder how many fellow lefties work for Xitler’s empire who are planning sabotage ops. As long as the payload wasn’t humans, watching a SpaceX rocket spectacularly fail would put a smile on my face, knowing that silent resistance is in motion
Turn that bolt just a few degrees to the wrong direction
Syntax errors? WOMM
LFG, burn this mother fuckers scam empire to the ground
We’ll make it to Mars on our terms, once we have a home to return to
I had a chance to buy a Tesla. Chose not to. Chose a Volvo instead. All heroes don’t wear capes.
Hmm. I should buy a cape. Hey Google, remind me to buy a cape.
Yup. Robert Reich posted something that ended with “Take a moment to breathe, then let the resistance begin.”
And like, buddy, I’m sorry to say, if your resistance is only just beginning, then you are resisting the wrong thing and you will be ineffective. You should be fighting the entire empire, not just the unmasked pieces of it.
The election is your chance to ask for your preferred enemy, but if you don’t get it, your job doesn’t change.
Might be a lot smaller than a lever, but if you are a republican don’t stand there empty handed. Grab your dick and start jerking that puppy. This is what you always wanted you dumb sick fuck.
This metaphor has always been poor. Trains are locked on tracks. Harris’s campaign could have steered away from biden and his low approval rating, distance from the voters, and genocide, at any moment she wanted to. She wasnt locked on tracks. She chose to steer toward the right the entire last month of her campaign, losing a trickle of voters from her base every single day. She chose to steer away from addressing peoples complaints about reduced buying power instead of sympathizing with them. She chose to say she’d put republicans on her staff if elected, and listen to their ideas. She chose to take the AIPAC bribes. She wasnt at all locked on tracks and being forced to take that money. No one did this TO her. She did it to us.
Pretending she had no choices in order have someone else to blame for her choices is a really unfortunate takeaway, and dooms the party to continuing to think in ways that will lose. The massive unpopular – historically so even-- incumbent lost. Thats what happened.
Can we stop pretending this election was about Gaza?
It was about Gaza for a lot of us. Shall we stop pretending it was about the economy either? Shall we stop pretending Biden had some of the lowest approval polls on record for a president going into reelection and that Harris couldnt put together any departure from Bidens ideas? While we’re at it lets all pretend Biden was one of the all time greatest presidents, regardless of his approval ratings.
Any other realities you want us to “stop pretending” about, in order to make you feel better?
If you haven’t voted for Harris because of Gaza, congratulations. You sealed the fate of the remaining people living there. The US will increase their support and Bibi will feel more confident than ever. Palestine may be wiped out all together.
It doesn’t fucking matter that Harris isn’t everything you want from a president. She’s far from perfect. I don’t like her policies. The reality is that it was a choice between a conservative and a fascist. America chose fascism and the world will suffer.
Being a leftist and not voting because LoW aPpRoVaL is unbelievably irresponsible and I refuse to make excuses for people who stayed home.
Most likely, you’re on the track.
I’m Canadian, but I think after next year I’ll be on our own track, only with a slightly smaller and less effective train
But there’ll be a friendly announcement apologizing to the people about to be run over, right?
Unless you’re a cis straight white man…
Yeah it’s pretty nice.
Better also be financially well off
They hate their own followers just as much as anybody else. Anybody who thinks the leopards won’t eat their faces is delusional.
There’s gotta be some group doing the gassing, for the other groups to be gassed.
Just think of the Stalinist purges. Nobody is safe.
eventually its just the same group, plus when your standards of evidence include demon stories etc even the nazis were prone to a substiantial amount of friendly fire.
The issue is that there will always be more to gas. Ask not for whom the bell tolls
A conservative Christian straight white man. Everyone else is at risk
A rich conservative Christian straight white man. But rich enough that if you have any health issues, you can afford them.
Only if you’re exactly the right denomination too.
That one’s weird though, because they cherry pick the parts they like. So it’s a weird Baptist/catholic/born again bullshit.
the supreme court is basically all catholic. Something tells me the evangelicals will get thrown under the bus at some point
Affiliations can be faked.
Swear allegiance to the flag
Whatever flag they offer
Silent Running - Mike + The Mechanics
Who’s not openly atheist…
Lucky I’m not and would be willing to hide people if necessary.
My daughter is queer and has never been in the closet. My mother thinks she’ll be just fine if she just goes into the closet. Not only is that unreasonable and unfair to expect of her, the internet is forever. Since she’s never been in the closet, she doesn’t make a secret of things like her first girlfriend. If they want to hunt queer people like her down, and I think they want to, they will.
I’m just glad we have a way out. I wish I could take all the other queer people with us. Especially her girlfriend and her close trans friend.
You’re posting on here and probably other channels. The NSA, FBI, and anyone else caught up in the wholesale data collection on US citizens has a full profile on you.
Guess who now has that data?
Get out if you can.
If you can’t, go to a blue state and buy guns and ammo. Self-sort. Learn to shoot. Learn bush craft. Quit your vices. Get into shape.
If you can’t do that, I’m very sorry for your plight. Form communities where you can and try to make some sort of SHTF plan.
They’ve collected too much data and trust their algos too much. The data from lemmy isn’t nearly as easy to parse or plentiful as the data from twitter or facebook. Bitching and moaning here isn’t nearly as compromising or attention grabbing as the shit that goes on on the sites run by open fascists.
Seriously, the next time I meet some of the friends irl, I’m explaining that I wont be talking to them online without encryption involved. I ended up quitting a discord I made because they were copy/pasting their posts that was getting them banned on facebook there. Absolutely no sense of infosec. Those posts had the real names attached and now that’s associated with a discord I set up. Luckily, I was using a foreign email to register it.
Yeah encryption is a must in general but also especially going forward. I moved my group to Signal. I don’t like that it’s USA owned and run, so I’m hoping the other projects globally will start to improve interface and functionality wise. Also open to suggestions.
I tried to pull the lever but lost to all the people pulling the other way.
It wasn’t even exactly that. It was MILLIONS of people who voted Democrat previously just sitting this one out. I don’t think there are 15 Million “Gaza or bust” voters so this was just pure ignorance…
“Trump is horrible, but the Democrats made inflation. I’m not voting for either.” (Conveniently forgetting COVID and the necessary cash injection that helped keep people paying bills on time and kept businesses afloat to be there to rehire when lockdowns ended.) Ignorance…
Not that it was perfectly executed by any stretch of the imagination, but the alternative was everyone “non-essential” goes broke and businesses everywhere collapse. There was no world where we just didn’t do lockdowns, we don’t have the luxury of hindsight when something new happens obviously. We probably didn’t need the lockdowns because COVID spread regardless :(
Yeah, I would be utterly shocked if the Gaza issue lost her that many votes.
It’s utterly detestable how short voter memory is.
Hey, so the 15 million thing isn’t true. That was the number before all of the votes came in. She actually gained votes in battleground states, but lost them in non-battleground states (states that didn’t really matter). Just a heads up. We need to be using facts here (not trying to attack, just trying to get that information out).
You’re right but it’s 12 million less than Biden got so your not really establishing anything other than the number was a little less in the final tally. Everything they said is exactly right with 15 million or 12 million.
I appreciate the correction!
Hey now, you cannot blame voters. Only rage into the void about Democrats, that’s the only thing that can help. I mean it clearly worked before, right!? /s
Source: many Lemmy users.
Down the street, a guy’s house burned down. Of course, we all blame him for it - and his failure to find a message that resonated with the firefighters, to motivate them to come save the building.
Crassus approves.
Lol I hate that your analogy made me laugh because it’s awful but all I have else to do is cry, so thanks?
There was no world where we just didn’t do lockdowns
Maybe the world where Trump implemented the pandemic response plan that Obama left for him. But, no, we got Mr. Inject-Bleach-And-Shove-A-Lightbulb-Up-Your-Ass.
And-Shove-A-Lightbulb-Up-Your-Ass.
At least then they could say they had a bright idea!
…I’ll see myself out.
I don’t think there are 15 Million “Gaza or bust” voters so this was just pure ignorance…
I believe there were 15 million "oh look, Harris is besties with Liz Cheney and continuing the half assed approach that Dems keep doing so who fucking cares’ people. I totally see why her poll numbers kept dropping over the course of her campaign after a strong start.
I still voted for her, but at that point is was just another vote against Republicans.
All these people on these threads blaming it on the voters when Harris had it in her power to run a different campaign is just lazy. Harris not only had a brake she could pull to stop the “trolley”, she had a damned steering wheel to steer completely away from running people over, and she made a choice not to. Dont blame the peasants for shit leadership.
Every single swing state lost. Both congress and the house lost. Thats a badly out of touch party, not stupid voters.
I think that takes more thought than even those who vote with us do. I think we seriously overestimate the political intelligence of the people in this country. Not to say 0% were those people, but if we’re talking millions I think we’re talking about typical ignorance.
I think the vast majority vote D for social issues, but once their pocketbook gets hurt it’s time to sit it out or worse “punish” the party in power by voting for the opposition. :(
They succeeded in punishing the party. For a price. We’ll revisit later if it was worth it.
if you listen to interviews of non voters they’re not even online. Ever. Like we need more people reaching out to real humans in the real world. they don’t listen to news they arent online. I don’t think democrats were ever going to win this one, too many voters are entirely unreachable.
It would take 100 years minimum to undo the damage that will be done, so I’m going to say “not worth it”.
The damage to the environment will never be undone. The US will double-down on emissions and most other countries in the world will stop trying because they won’t think there’s any point anymore.
Oh it will recover alright. About a million years after we go extinct. So in about 1.00005 million years.
So they thought through what it means to associate with a Cheney, but at the same time didn’t care enough to do anything about this situation? I don’t buy it. Apathy lost this election. And democrats share blame for that obviously, but acting like voters were right to stay home isn’t the right takeaway.
You will never admit that moving to the right has failed.
And democrats share blame for that obviously, but acting like voters were right to stay home isn’t the right takeaway.
Agreed, which is why I still voted despite sharing the same demotivation.
We probably didn’t need the lockdowns because COVID spread regardless :(
Gee I wonder why that happened. Couldn’t have been this
the inflation is worse than that. trump droped rates from obamas 3 or 4 percent to zero before covid. I repeat before the covid emergency which is when you might drop them a percent or so.
The only thing is the viewer should be tied to the track.
DNC leadership should be tied to the track.
I agree. Its time to stop this two party system and just have the one that everyone likes better anyway.
Eh, he might be a cis het white Christian who hates what’s going on?
Me. I have a sense of building survivors guilt as I watch my LGBTQ+ friends panic. I’m offering them support but I am aware that I can personally avoid being targeted and it pisses me off. Why should I get to be relatively okay while my friends suffer an incoming genocide? The thoughts that come from that feel self destructive. Like hurting myself just to prove I had something to lose. In reality the best thing I think I will be able to do is help my friends under all circumstances and go from there. Maybe join my local Socialist organization to assist in a larger assistance for the coming years. Idk man.
Thing is that when things are done well everybody basically wins and when done poorly everyone does poorly. just not in equal measure. maybe he would have a pinkie tied to the rail.
I think it’s fitting. He himself would be physically fine whilst everything collapses around him when the floor drops out.
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Yep. I’m focused on looking after my community/friends who have targets on their back now.
Other than that I look to republicans and say “alright, this is all you now. Better be perfect!” They shouted and screeched that their way was best. Their god is in the seat. Time to deliver a “great economy”
this is why I’m doing the “buy nothing 2025 challenge.” Would be a shame if consumer spending went down in january and sparked a panic.
If my stupid family members is any indication, by “great economy” they mean they got one or two paychecks in the mail during Covid: “He made me rich!” Yes he did, you minimum wage slave.
oh I guarantee that to hear them tell it, it will be perfect.
And I will look upon their debt, multiple part time jobs, and falling apart rental and nod.
Me @ them:
Minus the violence, yeah I’m with ya
You could always blow up the trolley.
Who could?
You could! With the power of reading!
Books are amazing. Did anyone know you can get a book about being ungovernable?
Or why it’s morally okay to blow up pipelines?
Books are amazing. I imagine you could find a book for any kind of idea.
Only $103 to preorder the book to learn to become ingouvernable!
The book is about being ungovernable. Pirates are pretty ungovernable.
Sounds like you’re putting the responsibility of changing the system on everyone else.
I’m not going to be a part of the American system anymore because I don’t think it will be changed any time soon. Not for the better. Not at the risk of my child’s life.
Where are you moving to? I’ve been looking, as well.
The UK. Not the best choice, but I’m a dual citizen.
Oh, that’s great. Good for you, Squid. My girlfriend and I were looking there or Spain. It’d be a nightmare to move, though.
Cor blimey
You mean you don’t want to be a part of it.
You have to be as long as you’re a citizen.
What do you expect me to do, mail a letter to the Secretary of State renouncing my citizenship?
This is like being against the Vietnam War but criticizing the people who left for Canada to avoid the draft.
Why would you waste so many prison slaves?
Also, why are you all so worried? Surely the cops will protect us! That was the plan after eventually disarming the working class right? Are yall saying that the democratic party was wrong to pursue gun control?
Funny how it’s the Dems fault the conservatives elected a fascist leader.
Its the DNC’s fault. They ran a masterclass on how to lose to a dementia afflicted fascist clown.
its always the democrats fault, a brave take. Harris’ campaign was not good, but Its possible she had no chance even with a perfect campaign. There are far too many comitted nonvoters that are completely offline and don’t watch news.
The democrats as a party just don’t have the in person networks to reach people. They just send out emails and clock out thinking everyone even has an email account. Job done.
Its possible she had no chance even with a perfect campaign.
I dont think thats a reasonable assumption at all.
I think you’re just not ready to admit that the campaign had any flaws at all yet.
I mean you could read the rest of what I wrote to see thats not the case. I’m reacting to interviews with nonvoters I saw, which are shockingly unaware. Like I don’t think democrats or leftists have any media reach.
laughs like a school shooting
If only there was some🔻thing we could do.
