The Peace Index is a survey project that’s conducted every 3 (???) months. Click on “see the latest survey” then on “findings” and you’ll see what I mean. I’d love to quote specific numbers but it won’t open on my device for some reason. Anyway numbers like how many Israelis think the Israeli military response to October 7 is justified and how many think its scale is just about right or too low are particularly damning, but you should go through the whole thing.
I’ll just include the top two points - they’re the most relevant.
An overwhelming majority of the Palestinians (81%) think the Palestinian suffering under the siege and blockade of the Gaza Strip justifies what Hamas did on October 7; only 28% of Israeli Arabs take this view. Among Israeli Jews, 84% believe Hamas’ attack on October 7 justifies current Israeli actions in the Gaza Strip.
We asked how Israelis interpreted Palestinian aims on October 7 and in the ensuing war. The vast majority of Israeli Jews (93%) attribute maximalist and genocidal aspirations to the Palestinians’ aim: 66% select “to commit genocide against us,” and 27% believe the aim is to conquer land and expel the Jews. When Palestinians were asked how they interpret Israel’s aim in the current war, again, a vast majority of Palestinians (88%) attribute maximalist and genocidal aspirations to Israel: 61% select “commit genocide against us,” and 27% select “to conquer our land and expel the people.”
I went through it - it’s pretty fucking bleak which makes it even more important to avoid confirming the persecution bias on both sides
There’s actually more if you click on “findings” or “sample report” at the bottom of the page, but you get the idea now. The former gets you to the actual survey results.
Before I continue I’ll make it clear: I’m not trying to advocate for “push them into the sea” rhetoric or saying that peace is impossible, and I certainly don’t think atrocities committed on either side are justified. That said, we need to understand the situation without any illusions or overoptimism before we can start discussing solutions.
it’s pretty fucking bleak which makes it even more important to avoid confirming the persecution bias on both sides
True to a degree, but it also shows that “the majority of Israelis support genocide in Palestine” is a proven fact. From these results we know that, for example, ideas along the lines of “this is completely or mostly Netanyahu’s fault and can’t be used to judge the Israeli public” are wrong, because unfortunately Netanyahu’s actions in the war are representing Israeli popular will. This means we’ll never get a real solution to this conflict, at least in the next few decades, by leaving Israel to its own devices. More heavy handed measures, a la South Africa, are necessary.
There’s actually more if you click on “findings” or “sample report” at the bottom of the page
Literally what I clicked on to copy out those two points. The rest are more of the same with varying degrees of nuance.
it also shows that “the majority of Israelis support genocide in Palestine” is a proven fact
It very much does not prove that. It says that 81% support current Israeli actions - as viewed by Israelis who very much do not believe there is a genocide going on there. If you can’t comprehend the difference between those two statements then there is no conversation or intelligent discussion to be had here.
It says that 81% support current Israeli actions - as viewed by Israelis who very much do not believe there is a genocide going on there.
They’re definitely aware of the situation in Gaza (and now the West Bank) to a degree, though with a healthy dose of propaganda; they just don’t consider it genocide.
The Peace Index is a survey project that’s conducted every 3 (???) months. Click on “see the latest survey” then on “findings” and you’ll see what I mean. I’d love to quote specific numbers but it won’t open on my device for some reason. Anyway numbers like how many Israelis think the Israeli military response to October 7 is justified and how many think its scale is just about right or too low are particularly damning, but you should go through the whole thing.
I’ll just include the top two points - they’re the most relevant.
I went through it - it’s pretty fucking bleak which makes it even more important to avoid confirming the persecution bias on both sides
There’s actually more if you click on “findings” or “sample report” at the bottom of the page, but you get the idea now. The former gets you to the actual survey results.
Before I continue I’ll make it clear: I’m not trying to advocate for “push them into the sea” rhetoric or saying that peace is impossible, and I certainly don’t think atrocities committed on either side are justified. That said, we need to understand the situation without any illusions or overoptimism before we can start discussing solutions.
True to a degree, but it also shows that “the majority of Israelis support genocide in Palestine” is a proven fact. From these results we know that, for example, ideas along the lines of “this is completely or mostly Netanyahu’s fault and can’t be used to judge the Israeli public” are wrong, because unfortunately Netanyahu’s actions in the war are representing Israeli popular will. This means we’ll never get a real solution to this conflict, at least in the next few decades, by leaving Israel to its own devices. More heavy handed measures, a la South Africa, are necessary.
Literally what I clicked on to copy out those two points. The rest are more of the same with varying degrees of nuance.
It very much does not prove that. It says that 81% support current Israeli actions - as viewed by Israelis who very much do not believe there is a genocide going on there. If you can’t comprehend the difference between those two statements then there is no conversation or intelligent discussion to be had here.
They’re definitely aware of the situation in Gaza (and now the West Bank) to a degree, though with a healthy dose of propaganda; they just don’t consider it genocide.