Can you please stop posting users numbers until the bot situation is under control? Putting it like you’re doing is misleading, half of them are bots (if not more).
When will the bot situation be under control?
I’m not denying the bot situation. These posts are for record keeping, and people in this thread seem aware of the bot situation. We need to get more eyes on this.
You’re welcome to start a conversation about how to solve the bot issue. I’d love to participate.
Post user activity instead? That has been suggested many times already as a far more reliable metric.
Not knowing when the bots will be under control is NOT a good reason to post misleading info, and you should know it.
Any particular website that you go to for post user activity?
I’m seeing total user comments quadrupled in the last 2 days alone (from 800k to 4+ million).
The site you linked has it, first graph is “Average Lemmy Active Users by Day” (hard to miss honestly), after that there’s the one you’re posting.
there’s also this (select active instead of total users): https://the-federation.info/platform/73
and this (check active instead of total): https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy
Geez I read your comment too fast and thought you meant “post user activity”. Thanks for sharing.
You’re welcome :)
Are you a bot microwave?
I’m totally human.
That’s exactly what a bot would say!
Lol, your user name is how I pronounced nginx for years
That’s where I got the name from lol. You’re literally the only person who’s ever pronounced it correct ;)
What a weird way to pronounce that…
If you can’t use critical thinking skills to analyze these numbers and understand bots are included, idk what to tell you bro. We can’t censor the world cause of a few dumb people.
With that said user activity, number of posts, number of comments submitted per day would be a nice metric to look at.
If you don’t know what misleading means, idk what to tell you “bro”
We’re all bros here can we please get along?
I’m getting along fine with everyone, OP included (that got the point and Is now publishing reliable metrics), but if someone accuse me of wanting censorship just because I point out some info are misleading, you can’t expect me to say nothing about it, can you?
Tbh it seems to be mostly bots adding to that growth. Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see the fediverse grow, but if it’s overrun with bots… no one will want to stick around.
Why do you say it’s mostly bots?
There was an exploit released a few days back that could make thousands extremely fast (unsure of the number).The two top user instances at this point have 50k new users a piece, and 10 users active, lol.
Ah, stupid that people do stuff like that.
The relevant instances might as well remove non-active accounts that do not participates (e.g. upvotes or downvotes), I guess it would be enough to remove most of them
Wouldn’t a bot account be more likely to randomly upvote/downvote than a human?
Reddit always had a large number of lurkers who only had accounts to select which subs they wanted to see…
Maybe. If the bots have been created by opportunism during the vulnerability, they may still be “dormant” until their owner find something to do with it. So I wouldn’t be surprise they are not doing anything yet.
So far it looks like most of the bots are just signing up - not posting anything.
Welcome all you noobs
(don’t hit me, I just got here too)
Yeah, I’m here since we were at 5-10k… Like, two weeks ago lol
Is… is this an OG?
Lol it’s seriously crazy how much less active this place felt a couple of weeks ago. I can’t imagine what it’s like to be someone who was here years ago.
Right!? Even daily it seems like there’s more and more activity. I’m lovin itTM
As has been asked every time, how many are bots?
Yeah there are some irresponsible instance owners out there letting bots register.
yeah, the largest one is k6qw, with 52 thousand users, but only 4 users online atm compared to lemmy.world, 42.8 thousand users, 5.63 thousand online
edit: source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list
Honestly, if these instances don’t get their act together, I’d vote on my instance to defederate from it.
I’m usually not one calling for defederating, it seems like a liability, though.
My thought were the same way about not wanting to call for defederation, but after thinking about it and owning an instance of my own now, I realize that that is the whole point. Instance owners can block entire instances from federating with them. If every instance blocks an instance that is a bad actor then they literally can’t federate with anyone and that solves the issue.
The beauty of the fediverse and the power of ownership is being able to take decisions like these.
Many were probably set up expressly for one user. They may be just newbies who followed an install guide but without any clue about how to administer a server. Is there no way to contact these owners? Refreshing a user dB is simple.
I guess it’s kind of like the saying bad ice effects both teams. Both reddit and the federation are going to have bots. Competitors aren’t differentiating bot accounts vs user accounts, so why should the federation?
How many people browsed reddit without an account, but made one for lemmy to show support?
At least one.I’m sure that reddit and others are aware of bots and doing things to control that situation.
Musk complained and tried to worm his way out of the Twitter deal by accusing them of padding user accounts with bots. With an upcoming IPO, Reddit may not be interested in culling bots right now - not when some of us have already fleddit.😅
I do concur though, the fediverse does need to find a way of getting owners doing captcha or something similar by default.
Not me lol
Welcome, non-bot!
Me either. I am a human person just like all of you!
Negative, I am a meat popsicle.
Welcome fellow human. It is great to be a human is it not?
floppy disk drive noises
Hello fellow human. I too identify as homo sapien.
So many of us good people. It is nice.
Exactly what a bot would say
There are dozens of us! Baker’s dozens! (We come in 13s)
I just joined. Done with that godforsaken website Reddit. It’s taking a little getting used to, but I know I eventually will get a hang of it. I’m willing to put my time into this.
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I’m one of them. Hello!
im another one.
And me - hello all.
Me here, fuck u/spez🖕
Fuck him!
I got a kick out of knowing he had millions of fuck /u/spez tags. He must know he’s a bellend before being rich. His disaster bunker article was absolutely hilarious.
If only that article was more popular, it really explains why he’s such a little child regarding the whole API fiasco.
Lest not forget that Reddit used bots when it went live to drive users there. I don’t know what I mean it was just a thought.
Hell yeah brother, cheers from Iraq
So how’s Iraq going?
Bad 😞
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Sigh…
Keep in mind, there’s a known issue with bot registration spam so take total user count stat with a big chunk of salt:
https://botsin.space/@threadcount/110581723322900741
Daily active users is a better measure:
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats (site stability is iffy right now, but refresh a couple times and it should load eventually)
The lemmy.dbzer0.com instance admin is working on some code to try to monitor the bot situation:
Ahh bots, the bane of the internet.
It’s mostly bots, but so is Reddit. The real question is, how many of these are active participants and contributors who’ll generate content and start communities?
I came here four days ago and I’ve been commenting and voting on everything I see. I haven’t made any new posts but I’ve been pretty active otherwise.
Super important to make this place a viable alternative, rather than just another graveyard.
I’m not a bot, I used to post on Reddit only occasionally, (I was more of a lurker) and I only accessed it through the Apollo app. I strongly believe in the concept of decentralized platforms, and Apollo made Reddit more user-friendly by streamlining the tools, and reducing the number of ads. I recently joined Lemmy a few days ago and I already feel a surge of energy from enthusiastic migrant users like myself. If I thought my increased involvement here would contribute to meaningful discussions within the community, I will try to be more engaged. I hope that the influx of reddit users, including myself, can provide the boost that Lemmy needed without overwhelming the ‘instances’ themselves.
once a few of the reddit mobile apps switch users will flood in.
Hope @ruud is prepared for Jun 30 when RIF will go down… redditors will flood us
While this is good, I can’t help but feel that the branding of the decentralised social media ecosystem is hurting the growth a little bit. The -verse suffix, imo, is just too tainted from all the cryptobro metaverse scams and really makes this seem like some crypto scam as opposed to an alternative to the current crumbling social media platforms.
Regardless, I hope this ecosystem does take off, as it does seem useful and interesting.
If it means anything, universe and multiverse are the first that come to my mind.
That’s fair. Maybe I’m just chronically online, but it really skeeves me out how eerily similar some of the terms here are to crypto scams. Not saying this is one, obviously- as far as I can tell, there really isn’t any monetary incentive to run an instance-, but the language used at the moment can get uncomfortably close, which definitely might push people away.
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You’re really denouncing an entire decentralized open source eco system cause you don’t like that verse is a suffix that can be used for multiple things?
Jfc.
Please read what I said again. I don’t have an issue with the ecosystem, and I said as much in the original post. I have an issue with the branding of the ecosystem and am concerned that it’s hampering growth because of its associations with venture capitalists/crypto scams/metaverse scams, etc.
Now we just need to move all content from Reddit to here, so that when you research something on google, lemmy would have the answer instead of Reddit.
