• randon31415@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    I wonder how much of Biden’s outrage is because of support for Bibi, and how much of it is because the ICC could start issuing warrant for US presidents?

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      100% the former. Biden supported the ICC until it started going after his pal. Now he just gave Putin a propaganda freebie.

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        Now he just gave Putin a propaganda freebie.

        I’m not sure who this propaganda is supposed to appeal towards? The dividing lines between the old Cold War states have sharpened considerably. Biden and Putin can’t really do anything wrong, from within their own camps. Its always “Whataboutism” and “You people don’t understand what’s at stake” to dismiss the incoherent contradiction of their respective policies.

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          Biden gave ammo to the Russian propaganda when he questioned the legitimacy of the ICC arrest warrants and implicitly accused them of playing politics - which is basically Putin’s line. I wouldn’t be surprised if this ends up with Putin being allowed to travel freely again.

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            Biden gave ammo to the Russian propaganda

            Who is being propagandized? Everyone’s already picked their side.

            I wouldn’t be surprised if this ends up with Putin being allowed to travel freely again.

            I seriously doubt it, if for no other reason than any number of armed and extremely angry Ukrainian partisans are gunning for him everywhere he goes. But at some point, countries like South Africa, India, and Brazil are going to be asked to turn down diplomats from an enthusiastic new partner by British or American scald complaining about international norms.

            To quote the Kenyan Ambassador Dr Lubinda Haabazoka,

            Every time China visits we get a hospital, every time Britain visits we get a lecture.

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      6 months ago

      Probably a mix of both. This is an issue that Biden us actually ideological on, he is genuinely a zionist. But he also has that habitual conservative infatuation with the status quo and sitting on fences.

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      Sanders is doing right now, exactly the right thing. Its the thing Biden should be doing but is seemingly incapable of. Its being on the right side of history as history is happening and not accepting some fatalistic inevitability about the future.

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        Heard on the news today that Biden said that it is not genocide in Gaza. He really wants to lose I guess.

        I voted, donated, and knocked on doors for Sanders. He should be our president not the fucking lesser evil Biden.

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    6 months ago

    Imagine if the DNC and liberal media apparatus had supported his presidential campaign instead of doing everything they could to kneecap it.

    Really was a massive mistake to push Clinton and the pied piper strategy.

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      Sanders has historically been Israel-friendly. This heel-turn has been the result of enormous public pressure from his leftist base.

      Its possible that a President Sanders would have been equally receptive to shifts in public attitude towards Israel. But I wager that his willingness to bend towards popular sentiment is precisely the reason the DNC / Liberal Media won’t back him. They want their Bush / McCain / Biden stubborn conservatism, because its better for fundraising among elites and feeds into the DC Media idea of “integrity”.

      You have to remember that “populism” has become a dirty word in American politics, particularly among DC elites. Its very much Us-versus-Them for the insider class. Caving to “Them” is seen as a sign of weakness and betrayal.

      Really was a massive mistake to push Clinton and the pied piper strategy.

      It worked in so far as it got us to Biden, eventually. Neoliberals were willing to suffer 4 years of reactionary social politics to cement their economic gains. And they’ll be willing to do it again in November, if it means “Biden was too much of a leftist” is the message ingrained on people’s brains when he loses.

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        If that’s the take away from a Biden loss then totalitarianism really is inevitable in this country because it would indicate that the only party in a position to resist fascism, has refused to ever do so.

        I suppose we’ll see, though you’d never catch me betting against neoliberal stupidity.

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          the only party in a position to resist fascism, has refused to ever do so.

          Real Weimer Republic Hours. The Friekorps will drag Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht out back and shoot them, for organizing students in a protest against the state. But they can only ever managed to deliver a slap on the wrist to a young German officer and Beer Hall afficianado, before annointing him Chancellor in an electoral wave year.

          you’d never catch me betting against neoliberal stupidity

          The US has been running on fumes since the 2008 financial crash. Even if Biden manages to eek out another 40,000 vote win-margin by November, he’s stuck with a Congress that hates him and an economy that’s powered entirely by magic beans. That means we get another Trump/Trump-adjacent candidate in 2028 and 2032 and 2036 and…

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        I think it’s possible to be both a Zionist (Zionist-lite?) AND opposed to mass murder and genocide… including that of the native Palestinian population.

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          Given the history of Zionism as a nation-building policy, I think it would be very hard to divorce the existence of a Jewish Majority state from the methods by which that Jewish Majority is secured. You’d have about as much luck trying to justify right-of-return for Afrikaner Boers or Japanese Imperialists or Oklahoma Sooners. The goals of the state are inseparable from the methods they used to mark their claim and secure their ethnic majority.

          A native Palestinian population is a threat to an Israeli state simply by not being Jewish. As the Palestinian population expands, the threat expands with it. And so Zionist Jews are compelled to perform a periodic culling of the population, in order to maintain their majority.